Nice to see CF's popularity steadily rising over the past year, from 25th most popularly discussed and documented language in 1/05, per the TIOBE Programming Community Index, to 16th as of 1/06. Very strong upward delta:
http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm Apologies if this has already been posted in the thread, but I'm off in Montana, and skimming by webmail right now. Leo __________________________________ Leo M. Schuman, JD, MCMI+D Macromedia Certified Master Instructor Schooner Technical Media, Inc. http://www.schoonertech.com ---------------------------------------- Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thu Jan 12 08:43:11 2006 Received: from houseoffusion.com [64.118.74.249] by mail23.webcontrolcenter.com with SMTP; Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:43:11 -0700 Received: from LOCALHOST by LOCALHOST with ESMTP id 28872C9AF8F4904BA1C3ADD0A10A09DC Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:43:31 -0500 Subject: Re: 2006 Turn Around? From: s. isaac dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [email protected] To: CF-Jobs-Talk <[email protected]> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 10:41:36 -0500 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-SmarterMail-Spam: SPF_None X-Rcpt-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I saw little benifit in Fusebox at the time. Confusing > longwinded, and time consuming, it seemed faster to > work within a linear approach. I definately liked Fusebox when I first started working with it (late FB2 though I didn't really start working with it 'till FB3). It wasn't until later that I became disenchanted with it because I found myself doing a lot of repetitive coding, which I know some people avoid with the use of "mind mapping" tools like FuseBuilder, though I'm not real happy with that idea either. I don't like the idea of code-gen tools for creating "beans" (or beans in general) or really much of anything. Not sure if that bias against code gen tools makes me more or less marketable in the workplace. I do know that being a framework author tends to put off some potential employers because of the thinking that I might not be loyal (split when my own software becomes profitable) or might not work so hard on their projects or because they perceive my own work as being in competition with the framework they've chosen (i.e. how can someone who develops their own framework be good at FB or Mach-II). Although I'm working on an FB4 application right now. Yes I would rather be working with my own, but I certainly don't consider myself a slob with FB4 (which is admittedly far superior to FB3 and _might_ have kept me from developing my own framework had it been available at the time -- I'm glad it didn't because I get a lot more work done at home and we'll be using onTap for the next iteration of the software at my new day job). I don't so much blame them for the loyalty question -- yeah, I'd love for my own software to become profitable enough that I can do whatever I want. > Employers want the young, but they also want the > experienced, and the experienced may be a lot like me. > No degree, self trained, and bouncing from position > to position to keep our heads above water while we > support our families and try to get ahead. That does a pretty good job of describing myself as well. > Corporations are finally seeing the advantage of > ColdFusion. Adobe's purchase of Macromedia will only > improve that outlook while giveing the product greater > stability and marketing clout. I suspect that depends a lot on what business sector you've been working in... I'm told that CF has had a good chunk of the government market for a long time, and we see those job listings for DC all the time. > What some job seekers are going to have to realize is > that, to obtain the money positions they desire, > they will need to put some effort into learning their > craft's. They are going to have to pick up a book or > a course or 10, and learn about architectures and > methodologies. That has so not been my experience... I'm in a good place now work-wise, so I'll make public my brutally honest observation (though I may have anyway). Its seemed to me for quite some time that employers are much less concerned with a programmers ability to perform their job than with their ability to be socially normative. I've never given much credence to social normalcy myself -- there are lot of social "norms" that I find unpleasant. But when it's a choice between the quirky unitarian-hippie guy who's always learning and can and will thread a needle with CF and the slob who spends all day in the office trying to find some way not to work, the guy who's downloading pornographic christmas carols and playing them out loud in the office will a) be paid more and b) keep his job longer (true story). Or I'm just jaded and bitter. > CF went from being the first web application server > to getting a bad rap in the programming community as > a tag-based procedural web scripting language. Only > now is it coming into the corporate consciousnous > that CF is a rich, powerful, rapid-application-development > language, built upon J2EE, that lends itself beautifully > to either a procedural base or an OO methodology, > and the developers that they want to leverage that > flexability are those that can work within both worlds. I'm not convinced the rap for CF has been worse than for other languages... I've hear people say that Python is the "definitive OO language", but when I've looked at use comparisons, it's always near the bottom when compared to CF, ASP and PHP. I've never seen a use comparison in which CF wasn't _close_ to the top near ASP if CF was included -- I tend to think the omission of CF has occurred in some of those cases not because it wasn't being used but rather because whoever compiled the data was biased against it. A zealot might include Java, ASP, PHP, Python and Lotus Notes for various reasons but then say "ColdFusion isn't a real language" and disclude it, without it being really indicative of the reputation of the server/language except perhaps in his or her isolated subculture. s. isaac dealey 434.293.6201 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.fusiontap.com http://coldfusion.sys-con.com/author/4806Dealey.htm ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:11:2827 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/11 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:11 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.11 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
