All of these stories are aggravating. You need to file suit wherever you can. I know of 1 company that paid $80,000 for a copy of Ben Forta's Quick Store that comes in the CF Application Developer Kit. You would really be surprised if you knew the name of the company that did this. They are a MAJOR development firm. Sure, there was some custom code added to it - but 90% of it came straight out of the book. Jim Mc Coy ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Buffington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CF-Jobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: RE: Senior Developer Available - FT. Lauderdale, FL > Unbelievable! > > Michael, I stand behind you 100% on this. You got ripped. > > Ray - your attitude astounds me! > > <snip> > Rest assure, that all of the graphics, layout, etc, where not cut and paste. > They were all uniquely created. The "contact" section just displays my name, > address, phone and email. How can that be done any different? > </snip> > > I'm floored by this logic. Good thing I missed breakfast or I might be > ralphing Cheerios. > > "..the 'contact' section just displays my name, address, phone and email..." > Yeah, it just displays it EXACTLY identical to Michael's. You may be the > luckiest man alive. The odds of creating an identical copy out of the blue > are 1 in infinite. > > What makes me sick is that Ray didn't even copy the site correctly - > Michael's spacing is consistent, the design is good, font weight is > considered, colors are considered, but to someone like Ray who obviously > couldn't design his way out of a wet paper bag, things like spacing and > consistency are way beyond his comprehension. > > Michael - I'd suggest taking some action over this. It happens far too > often, it's happened to me, and even though it's no longer happening to me, > it obviously still pisses me off. > > Ray - I feel for your future employer who will have to pay the copyright > infringement legal bills. > > Employers - watch for these kinds of people. People who rip off other > people will continue to rip other people off. I hired a CF programmer long > ago who claimed to know CF, when in reality, he'd cut and paste all his code > and, and have other people help him debug it. What a waste of resources! > Needless to say he didn't last long. > > I'm done with my rant. > > Michael Buffington > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (714) 556-3890 x222 > http://www.price.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Conger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 10:26 AM > To: CF-Jobs > Subject: RE: Senior Developer Available - FT. Lauderdale, FL > > > Ray, > > I appreciate your apology and your willingness to come to an understanding > on this. > I regret any un-warranted display of my temper and hope you will accept my > apology as well. > I am glad this matter can be resolved and I wish you success in your job > search. > > -Michael > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ramon E. Fernandez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 12:10 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'CF-Jobs' > Subject: RE: Senior Developer Available - FT. Lauderdale, FL > > > Michael: > > I look at hundreds of web sites each week, and make mental notes of what I > like and dislike. I just compare the sites as you suggested, and they are > very similar. Therefore, I most of like your site when I saw it. > > Rest assure, that all of the graphics, layout, etc, where not cut and paste. > They were all uniquely created. The "contact" section just displays my name, > address, phone and email. How can that be done any different? > > As far as the post to the list, there are only so many ways to list ones > qualifications, most professionals in this field will have similar > qualifications, just the length of experience will vary. It was not my > intent to "duplicate" yours, I sincerely apologize for it. > > The fact still remains, that my qualifications are very similar to yours. > Sorry, I can't help that. > > I will soon be modifying my site so it does not look like yours. > > Regards, Ray. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Conger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 11:42 AM > To: Ramon E. Fernandez; CF-Jobs > Subject: RE: Senior Developer Available - FT. Lauderdale, FL > Importance: High > > > Dear Ray, > > Your post to this list, the list of your qualifications, and your website > all look very nice. I couldn't have done better myself... > > Possibly this is because your post, your list of qualifications, and your > website are all made up primarily of material you simply cut and pasted from > MY post of about a week ago, the list of qualifications from MY resume, and > all the layout and graphics from MY website. > > Please feel free to compare and contrast... > http://www.michaelconger.com > VS > http://www.rayfernandez.com > ..... The "resume" and "contact" sections of each site are particularly good > examples. > > Since federal and international copyright laws, basic standards of > professional courtesy, and the great deal of time/thought/effort I put into > creating these things evidently do not apply and/or are of no consequence to > you... > > I thought it would be the least I could do to contact you and see if there's > anything else I can do for you... I have a nicely formated new resume that I > spent a couple weeks on if you're interested. Really, my time and effort > aren't really worth much to me... if you'd care to capitalize on them in any > way in the future, please don't hesitate to do so. > > -Michael Conger > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ps. Sorry for letting you know all of this on the list Ray... I just > assumed that since you didn't bother to contact me personally about any of > this, that this is your prefered method of contact. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ramon E. Fernandez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 10:41 AM > To: CF-Jobs > Subject: Senior Developer Available - FT. Lauderdale, FL > > > I am a Senior ColdFusion developer actively seeking telecommute > opportunities, contract or > full-time employment in the FT. Lauderdale, Florida area. > > Highly skilled professional web developer, experienced in planning, > designing, implementing, and managing internet/intranet/extranet/ecommerce > projects on different scales, through all phases of development. > > Experience working both individually and as a team lead. > > Skills Brief: > > ColdFusion BrainBench Certified. > Wide-ranging experience with ColdFusion (6yrs). > Microsoft SQL server (4yrs). > Oracle server (6mos). > Excellent coding skills and comprehensive knowledge of CFML, WDDX and VB. > Expert proficiency in HTML (6yrs), DHTML, CSS, and JavaScript (3 yrs). > Working knowledge and growing proficiency in XML, ASP/VBscript, ActiveX, > CGI/Perl. > Expert knowledge of web design principles including page layout, GUI design, > and graphic design. > Well versed on all major operating systems (workstation and server), web > servers, and browsers. > > My resume, along with examples of my work, and contact information, can be > found at my website: > http://www.rayfernandez.com > > Please feel free to contact me at any time with questions or comments. > > Thank You! > > Ray Fernandez > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Ramon E. 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