Freelancehq looks good - for people in the UK. Anyone know a similar site for the US?
At 09:55 AM 3/23/01 +0000, Adam Reynolds wrote:
>Well you have to also realise that large numbers of agencies also
>subscribe to CF-Jobs because they hope to pick up on candidates and
>possible leads.
>
>Having an email come through with the heading Consulting Sucks just hurts
>way too much :)
>
>If you want advice on consulting from other consultants, like I've said
>before have a look at www.freelancehq.com in the Industry section. This
>site has now changed the way I deal with agencies, and also which agencies
>I will deal with. There is some valuable nuggets of information in there
>from very experienced consultants.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Wilker [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: 23 March 2001 00:51
>To: CF-Jobs
>Subject: RE: PLEASE STOP THIS CONVERSATION: Consulting sucks
>
>sorry Jennifer my message wasn't suppose to go to just you, sometime
>outlook
>freaks me out :-)
>
>"Please let's not. This thread has been incredibly helpful to me. I'm just
>starting out in the consulting "game" and have picked up several good ideas
>and pointers in the last few days..
>
>Besides it's not like this list sees much action so 5 emails a day is
>hardly
>anything to freak out about.
>
>And I'm sure many would agree that consulting is a job, a very demanding
>one
>at times.
>
>J. "
>
>that was meant for the list :-)
>
>
>
>John Wilker
>Web Applications Consultant
>Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer
>
>Office: 909-943-8428
>www.red-omega.com <http://www.red-omega.com>
>
>15 people are known to have been crushed to death tilting soda
>machines towards them in order to receive free soda.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jennifer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 9:12 AM
>To: CF-Jobs
>Subject: PLEASE STOP THIS CONVERSATION: Consulting sucks
>
>
>Hi everyone
>
>Thanks for all for your opinions. But could you take
>it somewhere else? Let's remember that this listing
>is for JOBS...THANKS!
>
>
>Jennifer
>
>--- "David L. Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I've been consulting/contracting quite successfully
>> and profitably for
>> several years now. And I have to agree with Erika
>> here for the most part.
>> Consulting is not a job--it's a state of mind. Wife,
>> husband, kids,
>> obligations aside (we all have those, no matter what
>> job we work, so take a
>> pill and get over that part of it) you simply have
>> to WANT to be a
>> contractor to be really successful at it over the
>> long haul. If you go into
>> every contract with the attitude: "I'm so happy to
>> be here", you'll succeed.
>> If you look at a given contract like a "job", you
>> might as well stay perm.
>> The key to successful contracting is, as Erika
>> intimates: make sure you're
>> resume is always current--and as she actually says,
>> have a couple months pad
>> in the bank for the lean, between contract times.
>> Some companies pay bench
>> time but they're few and far between, in my
>> experience. Sure, there are lean
>> times but if one plans ahead for those, they're not
>> as bad as one would
>> think.
>>
>> The thing about consulting, or contracting,
>> depending upon whether you're a
>> half-full or half-empty kind of person, is that it
>> is a great way to learn
>> multiple technologies and apply them as the job
>> dictates. I enjoy
>> contracting because the challenge is always new
>> (even if the CF, MS-SQL,
>> Oracle, DataStage, BusinessObjects, Quest, et
>> cetera, version is old... ;)),
>> and you get to meet and interact with new people on
>> an on-going basis. For
>> people persons, such as myself, this is always a
>> great draw. For those with
>> less a less social bent who are more "geeky" there
>> are those kinds of folks
>> too usually. The thing is, one has to be open to new
>> experiences and take
>> full advantage of them when they arise.
>>
>> As any long-term contractor is, I am proficient in
>> several scripting
>> languages, several programming languages and several
>> data base methodologies
>> so I can fit almost anywhere. Although CF is my
>> mainstay, by choice, I enjoy
>> coding in all of them and I mix-and-match as the
>> contract dictates. If I'm
>> not absolutely proficient in the technology the
>> client is asking for, and I
>> get the interview simply because of past
>> experience/successful contracts, I
>> tell them honestly that I don't know xyz
>> programming/scripting language but
>> I'm quick on the uptake... ;). I am willing to learn
>> the next "latest and
>> greatest" technology the client thinks they need at
>> the drop of a hat. With
>> this approach, I win some, I lose some, and some get
>> rained out. The main
>> thing is that the client knows you're flexible and
>> ready to help accommodate
>> them right up front.
>>
>> If you have enough past experience in multiple
>> disciplines, I've found that
>> many clients are ready to take you on based upon
>> that past record of success
>> versus the fact that you know this or that
>> particular technology. By the
>> same token, if you learned CF from a "21 days" book
>> and you've only coded
>> your brother-in-law's web site, contracting may not
>> be for you. Contracting
>> normally requires that you truly grasp the entire
>> gamut of software
>> development, from planning, design, documentation,
>> coding and
>> implementation. This includes all the other
>> technologies that may impact
>> your project such as OOP, networking protocols, a
>> thorough grasp of web
>> technologies, LDAP, CFHTTP, custom tags, javascript,
>> WDDX, data base
>> methodologies, security, ad naseam.
>>
>> Anyway, I've made an intended short post long. I
>> don't normally chime in but
>> contracting, in and of itself, doesn't suck... Only
>> people who lack
>> self-confidence in themselves or who have never done
>> it enough to give it a
>> chance would entertain the idea--personally, I
>> wouldn't do anything else at
>> this point... ;). Trust me, if you're at all
>> proficient with the technology
>> you're thinking about contracting for--you'll
>> probably do fine. Take a
>> gamble--contract!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> David L. Rice
>> Web Applications Developer
>> 24/7 cell: 205.903.9467
>> eFax: 253.550.8239
>> ICQ: 177820
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> ----------------------------
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Erika L Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 10:15 PM
>> > To: CF-Jobs
>> > Subject: RE: Consulting sucks
>> >
>> >
>> > Well I wasn't going to add anything to this
>> thread, but now I have to....
>> > <itching to tell my story sort of thing...>
>> >
>> > I love consulting. I also don't have kids, but if
>> I did, I'm sure I would
>> > love the flexibility it offers. And, no, I'm not
>> married, so there is no
>> > husband paying the bills which enables me to
>> continue consulting.
>> >
>> > I did the corporate route and the in-house long
>> term contract, I even
>> > trained racehorses, and still, nothing beats being
>> your own boss, calling
>> > the shots, setting your own hours and playing golf
>> on a really sunny day
>> > because you can! (or skiing!)
>> >
>> > Of course, it is a lot of hard work, long hours,
>> dedication, and
>> > it takes a
>> > tenacity that is very hard to develop. As Richard
>> says,
>> > "Consulting -- when
>> > it's good, it's very, very good and when it's bad,
>> it's horrid."
>> > You have to
>> > be able to weather the storms.....which sometimes,
>> are not unlike the huge
>> > layoffs we keep hearing about. Job security is
>> only as good as the economy
>> > at times.
>> >
>> > I loved consulting so much, I found a partner and
>> we made a
>> > business of it.
>> > My own knowledge has grown because of this. I can
>> delve into any kind of
>> > code, Java, VB, RPG, CF, ASP, JSP, Flash, you name
>> it! Consulting made it
>> > possible. You have to wear many different hats and
>> be able to
>> > turn on a dime
>> > at times, unless you specialize in one or two
>> fields. Even then,
>> > it's still
>> > a tough road to follow with technology changing
>> with every turn.
>> >
>> > There is not a day that goes by that I don't learn
>> something new. This, in
>> > itself, is so exciting!
>> >
>> > So, please, future consultants out there......it
>> really is a great way to
>> > make a living....it just takes a lot of
>> self-discipline, a few
>> > month's worth
>> > of bill money in the bank, and a lot of hard work.
>> "You can do it!"
>> >
>> > Erika
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------------------------
>> > AIM: WebErika5
>> > Yahoo: WebErika
>> > MSN: WebErika
>> > AskMe.com Expert: WebErika
>> > --------------------------------
>> > Erika L. Walker
>> > Vice President
>> > RUWebby, LLC
>> > 201-370-4272 (c)
>>
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>
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