[KCFusion] ASP vs CF

[Greenhagen, Robin]

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In advance, sorry about the long drivel below :-)...

 

I think that it is important to realize that the ASP vs. CF argument is a bit misleading when trying to build up the feature by feature comparison.  We have been CF centric for 5+ years, but still write ASP apps for people if their environment, their staff, and their needs dictate it.  Once you have technique in either tool set, there is less of difference in productivity than either group claims.

 

I think comparing on a feature by feature basis is like looking at WordPad (ASP) vs. MS Word (CF).  When was the last time you used CFAUTHENTICATE or CFLDAP?  But your server loads that code up every time you start the CF services.  One advantage to the ASP model of components (3rd party controls to do mail, encryption, credit cards, etc...) is that if we don't like one, we can pitch it and use one of the other 10 vendors out there. 

 

We have had to do this in the past when a CF component (CFPOP or CFHTTP) failed to meet our needs.  So either way we incur the expense of buying the control that we like, but with CF, now I have two solutions loaded on the box, and I have to use CFOBJECT, which has had it's own issues.

 

In the past we have felt like Alliare was the 3rd camp (ASP and J2EE were the two most visible, widely used tools).  Now CF truly has an alliance with the Java camp in CFMX, and great interoperability with the .NET (formerly ASP, COM, ActiveX) camp. 

 

But if a company is deploying desktop applications in VB.NET, it will be a hard argument that they shouldn't deploy the web interfaces for that app in ASP.NET.

 

There is no definitive right/wrong decision matrix that can account for all project variations, etc...

 

What I believe was the biggest single accomplishment in CFMX won't be mentioned by Macromedia.  They have essentially ensured that CFML will live for the next 10 years by implementing it on the J2EE platform.  As a standalone, single vendor, propriety language, app server solution, someone could have easily said "we are shelving CF and pursuing JSP/J2EE" as about 10 - 20 other app server vendors have done.  Now even large organizations that have $xxx,xxx,xxx worth of BEA Weblogic and IBM Webshpere can use CFML to get the job done.  These development groups that have been implementing CF as an "unsupported" application on their networks can now take the approach that this is the CFMX tool for Weblogic/Websphere and run it in a fully supported production environment. 

 

Cheers!

Robin Greenhagen

President

GSI

http://www.gsi-kc.com/

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Darin Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 9:10 AM
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Subject: RE: [KCFusion] Thanks for MX presentation

I'll bet everyone would!  :)  I've seen feature comparison's of ASP vs. CF, but not actual cost comparisons.  This would be very helpful information!  :)

--Darin

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rick Eidson
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:41 AM
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Subject: RE: [KCFusion] Thanks for MX presentation

I would like the ASP Vrs ColdFusion also.

Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Purtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 8:25 AM
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Subject: [KCFusion] Thanks for MX presentation

A big thank-you to Ryan Hartwich and the other people who helped make Ben
Forta's presentation possible. The amount of information was so large that I
didn't take notes; are there sites that might help my managers make the
decision to upgrade? Something that would appeal to a their point of view?
Also, shortly before the presentation, Ben mentioned he once prepared a
document comparing the actual cost of ASP with ColdFusion. Is that document
publicly available? Thanks again.

Keith Purtell, Web/Network Administrator
VantageMed Operations (Kansas City)
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