Hi Alison,

No original suggestions from me, but I think John's suggestions are definitely worth careful consideration.

Karl


John Graybeal wrote:
Alison,

All these changes sound excellent.

I have a few suggestions for the area_type info. Well, more like questions.

An area_type that I imagine being useful within a year or two, if not within months, is the benthic floor (i.e., land under the sea). And by analog: land under a lake, or the more general water_covered_ground. I'm not recommending those changes now, but they raise the following question: Is 'land' is intended to be all-encompassing in this regard? Definitions would help make this clear. As a general observation, discussing terms without associated definitions can lead to confusion on all parts.

I don't see how all_standard_names makes sense as an area_type.

If lake_ice_or_sea_ice excludes icebergs, does sea_ice? This is counterintuitive to a lay person, admittedly not the target audience. (Also note, this is where the relation between terms is useful information to have -- somewhere in my assumed hierarchy
  floating_ice
    lake_ice_or_sea_ice
      sea_ice
there is a discrepancy, perhaps intentional. Suggest the discontinuity be made explicit in the definition (i..e, explain why lake_ice_or_sea_ice excludes icebergs, while floating_ice does not; and address whether sea_ice includes icebergs. The definition is where people will look to understand the relationships.

I assume the absence of lake_ice is deliberate. (Just a thought: Sometimes completeness is helpful for clarity, especially when there are no definitions, even though there may not be any immediate use for the term. Otherwise it makes some of us wonder why something *wasn't* included.)


John





On Dec 4, 2008, at 6:03 AM, Pamment, JA (Alison) wrote:

Dear All,

Velimir and I have been working on creating the new table of
standardized area_type strings as agreed under trac ticket 17.  The
table lists the values permitted in variables with a standard_name of
area_type.  To view version 1 of the table please go to
http:// cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/documents/cf-standard-names/area-type-table/cur
rent/area-type-table.  Clicking on the individual table entries will
reveal explanatory text, although currently there is only help available
for the two new floating_ice strings.  Please let us know if you have
any comments about the format of the table.

For ease of reference, there is also now a link from the area_type
description text in the html version of the standard_name table to the
new area_type table.

At the top of the standard name table a link has been created to the
standard name Guidelines document.  This has been done with the
intention of giving greater prominence on the website to the existence
of the Guidelines.

The html copy of the standard name table has been rebuilt to add the new
links, but this in no way affects the contents of the table which
remains at version 11.  There are no changes to the xml version of the
table.

Velimir has converted the standard name Guidelines document to the
docbook format (similar to the conventions document) and this hopefully
will make it more navigable.  In addition, we have introduced version
numbering of the Guidelines.  This is in response to the fact that there
has been a number of recent changes to the document and it looks likely
that there will be more in the future.  The Guidelines are currently at
version 1 and this number will be incremented each time a change is
made.

If you have any comments regarding any of the above, please send them to
the list.

Best wishes,
Alison

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