Hi Russ,

Thanks for your input and link to an earlier presentation of yours.

Agree that the proposal only applies to group hierarchies, i.e., to
groups representable by the Common Data Model 2/extended/enhanced
which for practical purposes means groups exposed by the netCDF4 API.
Your way of putting it is better because it's more generic: we only
seek to define metadata inheritance for hierarchical groups, no matter
the external representation of the group.

Cheers,
cz

Le 16/09/2013 12:06, Russ Rew a écrit :
>> Dear all,
> 
> I'm also glad to see this discussion surface.  Since I first presented
> "Developing Conventions for netCDF-4" at the 2007 GO-ESSP meeting:
> 
>   http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/presentations/Rew/nc4-conventions.pdf
> 
> I've been hoping that netCDF-4 feature adoption would begin to gain
> traction in the community (see slides 19 and 20 of this 2010
> presentation for my "chicken-and-egg logjam" illustration):
> 
>    http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/presentations/Rew/agu_2010_nc4_Rew.pdf 
> 
> I like the Zender-Habermann-Leonard (ZHL?) proposal for Group
> Attributes, but would like to point out a potential problem for its use
> with HDF Groups: they aren't actually hierarchical.  In HDF5, Group A
> can be a parent of Group B, which in turn can be a parent of Group A,
> forming a cycle instead of a hierarchy.  The graph of the Group-subGroup
> relation in HDF5 can form an arbitrary directed cyclic graph, though
> this is not permitted in netCDF-4, in which only Group *hierarchies* can
> be created through the netCDF-4 API.
> 
> Without a restriction to hierarchies, attribute inheritance is not
> useful, which is why we required group hierarchies for dimension
> inheritance in netCDF-4.  So I think the proposal should include a
> restriction to only hierarchical Group structures, which also has the
> desirable property that each Group, except for the root, has a unique
> parent Group.
> 
> --Russ
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