Dear John

Thanks for your research. If I'm in a small minority or alone in preferring a
self-explanatory term then I'll accept the majority view. Do you find that this
quantity always has the same physical dimensions (canonical unit in CF terms)?
A possible cause of confusion would be if, for instance, the same term is used
to mean both kg m-3 and mol m-3. In that case it might help to indicate which
it is in the standard name.

Best wishes

Jonathan

On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 11:21:40AM -0800, John Graybeal wrote:
> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:21:40 -0800
> From: John Graybeal <[email protected]>
> To: CF Metadata List <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Request for new standard-name:
>       apparent_oxygen_utilization
> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6)
> 
> This discussion has been ongoing a while (though with few participants), and 
> I think it is valuable to the ocean community to resolve it quickly if 
> possible. 
> 
> After a quick round of on-line reading (and absent any uptake on creating an 
> alias), I vote for using apparent_oxygen_utilization.
> 
> The key sentence for me was in Encyclopedia of Earth content: 'This is a 
> method of estimating the amount of dissolved oxygen utilized by marine 
> organisms via respiration, although it is termed "apparent" for a reason.' 
> (Which it then explains, and contrasts to True Oxygen Utilization.) The fact 
> the term is universally known, taught, and used in the oceanography realm; 
> does not seem to have any ambiguous uses in other domains; and fairly well 
> captures the gist of the concept, says to me it's OK to use it. Even if it is 
> functional rather than naming.
> 
> I'd tweak the definition slightly:
> 
> > AOU, Apparent Oxygen Utilization, is defined as the difference between the 
> > saturation oxygen concentration in water at 1 atmosphere, and the observed 
> > oxygen concentration (e.g., Broecker and Peng, 1982). It is a standard 
> > calculation made by oceanographers to estimate non-physical effects on 
> > oxygen, where non-physical means  biological processes (uptake/release and 
> > chemical reaction).
> 
> 
> If it turns out in the future this name causes trouble, we have a mechanism 
> to fix it. But I think the domain-specific name will benefit CF more than 
> hurt it.
> 
> John
> 
> ---------------
> John Graybeal
> Marine Metadata Interoperability Project: http://marinemetadata.org
> MMI Ontology Registry and Repository: http://mmisw.org/orr
> 
> 
> On Feb 2, 2015, at 07:02, Nan Galbraith <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all - 
> > 
> > In the interest of getting a reply to Ajay, are we going to recommend the 
> > new 
> > standard name 
> > difference_of_oxygen_per_unit_mass_in_sea_water_from_saturation,
> > as suggested by Jonathan? I suppose we can recommend that the BGC folks use 
> > their domain's preferred term, Apparent Oxygen Utilization, as a long name.
> > 
> > I'll just make one last-ditch effort, by quoting Roy's email of 1/20/15, 
> > then I'll 
> > stop being disagreeable:
> >>  Wally Broecker's work is so well absorbed into biogeochemistry that we 
> >> should respect his terminology.
> > 
> > Cheers - 
> > Nan
> > 
> > 
> > On 1/26/15 12:35 PM, Jonathan Gregory wrote:
> >> 
> >> Dear Nan
> >> 
> >> Yes, there are standard_names which are not self-explanatory, I agree. But 
> >> I
> >> think that in the standard_name table the advantage of being 
> >> self-explanatory 
> >> outweighs the disadvantage of being longer and less familiar. The 
> >> standard_name
> >> table has a particular purpose of helping to describe quantities so that 
> >> people
> >> with different sources of data can work out if their quantities are "the 
> >> same
> >> thing" for the purpose of intercomparison. That's why we may use different 
> >> and
> >> more explicit terms from the ones that experts in various domains use among
> >> themselves.
> >> 
> >> Yours equally respectfully
> >> 
> >> Jonathan
> >> 
> >> ----- Forwarded message from Nan Galbraith <[email protected]> -----
> >> 
> >>> Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:20:54 -0500
> >>> From: Nan Galbraith <[email protected]>
> >>> To: [email protected]
> >>> Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Fwd: Re: Request for new standard-name:
> >>>   apparent_oxygen_utilization
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> The  terms that have been suggested (like
> >>> difference_of_oxygen_per_unit_mass_
> >>> in_sea_water_from_saturation) are more descriptive of the method of
> >>> measurement
> >>> and calculation than of the concept being described, apparent oxygen
> >>> utilization,
> >>> so I have to respectfully disagree.
> >>> 
> >>> I think there are precedents for allowing a concept like 'apparent
> >>> oxygen utilization'
> >>> to be used as a standard name, in preference to describing measurement and
> >>> calculation methods in these terms.
> >>> 
> >>> Some examples are richardson_number_in_sea_water,
> >>> atmosphere_dry_energy_content,
> >>> atmosphere_convective_inhibition_wrt_surface - these all describe
> >>> the calculations in
> >>> their definitions, not in the names themselves.
> >>> 
> >>> Regards -
> >>> Nan
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On 1/21/15 1:46 PM, Jonathan Gregory wrote:
> >>>> Dear Nan
> >>>> 
> >>>> Sorry to be awkward, but it doesn't change my opinion. CF standard names 
> >>>> are
> >>>> often not the terms which are customarily used in the expert communities
> >>>> themselves. They're not really names, but explanations, in many cases. 
> >>>> This
> >>>> is in no way to underrate the expertise of the people concerned, but to 
> >>>> make
> >>>> things clear. For example, in atmospheric science, there is a quantity 
> >>>> which
> >>>> most people would recognise by the name of omega. But that's not at all 
> >>>> self-
> >>>> explanatory and the same letter is used in other fields for different 
> >>>> things,
> >>>> so its standard name is lagrangian_tendency_of_air_pressure, which 
> >>>> answers
> >>>> the question, "What is omega?", rather than being the customary jargon 
> >>>> term.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Best wishes
> >>>> 
> >>>> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 20, 2015, at 10:50, Lowry, Roy K. <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Nan,
> > 
> > I must admit a little discomfort watching the process of CF semantic 
> > modelling replacing a well-known term with something that nobody in the 
> > domain would recognise without significant education. I didn't comment 
> > because I as a semantic modeller I can see both sides. However, I think 
> > you're right and Wally Broecker's work is so well absorbed into 
> > biogeochemistry that we should respect his terminology.
> > 
> > Cheers, Roy.
> > ________________________________________
> > From: Nan Galbraith [[email protected]]
> > Sent: 20 January 2015 18:35
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [CF-metadata] Fwd: Re: Request for new standard-name:  
> > apparent_oxygen_utilization
> > 
> > Hi all -
> > 
> > I received this follow-up from Ajay, and thought it would be OK
> > to share it with the list. I wasn't aware of it, but 'apparent oxygen
> > utilization' seems to be a well-defined term in oceanography.
> > 
> > Not sure if this changes others' opinions, but it does change mine.
> > 
> > Regards -
> > Nan
> > 
> > 
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject:        Re: [CF-metadata] Request for new standard-name:
> > apparent_oxygen_utilization
> > Date:   Thu, 15 Jan 2015 15:24:25 -0500
> > From:   Ajay Krishnan - NOAA Affiliate <[email protected]>
> > To:     Nan Galbraith <[email protected]>
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Nan,
> > 
> > I posed your question to the Science team that requested the standard
> > name and this was their response:
> > 
> > Maybe it is better to stick to a citable reference. No additional
> > description of what AOU is necessary, in my opinion. But if one is
> > needed, I can slightly modify Tim's version
> > 
> > AOU, Apparent Oxygen Utilization, is defined as the difference between
> > the saturation oxygen concentration at 1 atmosphere and the observed
> > oxygen concentration (Broecker and Peng, 1982)
> > 
> > Broecker, W. S. and T. H. Peng (1982), Tracers in the Sea,
> > Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory, Palisades, N. Y.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >    Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 13:21:57 -0500 (EST)
> >    From: Tim Boyer <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> >    To: Ajay Krishnan - NOAA Affiliate <[email protected]
> >    <mailto:[email protected]>>
> >    Subject: Re: Fwd: [CF-metadata] Request for new standard-name:
> >         apparent_oxygen_utilization
> > 
> >    Ajay,
> > 
> >    ...
> > 
> >       AOU is a standard calculation made by oceanographers to
> >       estimate non-physical usage of oxygen - non-physical
> >       meaning biological uptake/release and chemical reaction.
> >       Physically, it is assumed that oxygen will be saturated
> >       at the surface with respects to the atmosphere through physical
> >       processes and therefore only non-physical processes can alter oxygen
> >       content from saturation state.  If Nan (or Hernan) would like to
> >       suggest a change or addition to the definition, thats
> >       fine.
> > 
> >       As for whether AOU should be defined somewhere else,
> >       cell method or standard name modifier - that is something
> >       for you CF experts to decide.  Please ask Nan to propose
> >       such a definition.
> > 
> >    Thanks,
> >    Tim
> > 
> > 
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Nan Galbraith <[email protected]
> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > 
> >    Hi, Ajay -
> > 
> >    This looks, at first glance, like a too-specific term; the
> >    definition doesn't
> >    carry as much information as the proposed standard name itself. What I
> >    mean, specifically is, aren't there times when the difference
> >    between saturation
> >    oxygen and observed oxygen are NOT a measure of oxygen utilization?
> > 
> >    And, isn't there an existing method to describe a value that
> >    represents a
> >    difference such as this?  Standard name modifier, or cell method,
> >    I'm not
> >    sure which ... sorry I can't look more closely at this right now!
> > 
> >    Regards - Nan
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >    On 1/14/15 11:54 AM, Ajay Krishnan - NOAA Affiliate wrote:
> >>    Hi All,
> >> 
> >>    I had requested for a new standard name for
> >>    apparent_oxygen_utilization during the last week of November.
> >>    Since, there have been no discussions on it, I wanted to quickly
> >>    follow up on it.
> >> 
> >>    Thanks,
> >>    Ajay
> >> 
> >>    On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Ajay Krishnan - NOAA Affiliate
> >>    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> >> 
> >>        Dear CF community,
> >> 
> >>        On behalf of NODC, I would like to request for a new standard
> >>        name:
> >> 
> >>        apparent_oxygen_utiliziation (AOU)
> >>        definition: the difference between saturation oxygen content
> >>        and observed oxygen content.
> >>        units: micromoles/kg
> >> 
> >> 
> >>        Description is from Broecker and Peng, 1982, Tracers in
> >>        the Sea
> >>        
> >> http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/~broecker/Home_files/TracersInTheSea_searchable.pdf
> >>        
> >> <http://www.ldeo.columbia.edu/%7Ebroecker/Home_files/TracersInTheSea_searchable.pdf>
> >>        (pp 131-138)
> >> 
> >>        Some more detail in Garcia et al., World Ocean Atlas
> >>        Volume 3: Dissolved Oxygen, Apparent Oxygen Utilization, and
> >>        Oxygen Saturation.
> >>        http://data.nodc.noaa.gov/woa/WOA13/DOC/woa13_vol3.pdf
> >> 
> >>        Thanks,
> >>        Ajay
> >> 
> 

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