Dear Balaji, Roy, Martin

I agree completely with what Roy is saying - that labelling something as psu or 
dimensionless in the units string should have no bearing whatsoever on the 
storage precision of the numerical value.

However, regarding the scaling, the CF standard name table currently lists the 
units of practical salinity as "1". Up to and including version 28 of the 
standard name table we had the units of sea_water_practical_salinity and 
change_over_time_in_sea_water_practical_salinity listed as "1e-3" which is 
still a dimensionless number, but scaled. There are two things to say about 
this:

(1)    This change was only made after considerable debate on the CF mailing 
list in 2015, starting with 
http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/pipermail/cf-metadata/2015/058205.html;

(2)    Although the decision was taken to change the scaling in the canonical 
units to "1", this does not in any way prevent 1e-3 being used in individual 
data files, if that helps with storage precision, because the two differ only 
by a scale factor and are in all other aspects equivalent.



Therefore, I don't see the need to have "psu" as a unit in UDunits. It's a 
matter for the data provider to choose the scaling in his or her data files. 
Martin is correct that "psu" is not a unit - it refers to a dimensionless 
number on a calibrated scale.



Best wishes,

Alison

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From: CF-metadata [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lowry, 
Roy K.
Sent: 18 July 2017 14:37
To: V. Balaji - NOAA Affiliate
Cc: [email protected]; Juckes, Martin (STFC,RAL,RALSP)
Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Is "psu" a valid cf unit?


Dear Balaji,



I think there are some crossed wires here. The dimensionless Practical Salinity 
and a Practical Salinity in PSU are exact numeric equivalents. The only 
difference is the name that's given to the unit of measure - that's why to make 
this crystal clear CF includes the scaling factor of 10^-3. So I don't think 
that this can affect storage precision.



Cheers, Roy.



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Sent: 18 July 2017 14:12
To: Lowry, Roy K.
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Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Is "psu" a valid cf unit?

The ocean modeling community is adamant that they will continue to use PSUs for 
salinity: it's this unit, rather than its SI or dimensionless equivalent, that 
gives the maximum digits of precision in a floating-point representation of 
salinity.

It's a valid concern, and CF should perhaps reconsider, with a new discussion 
giving weight to the views of modelers as well as physical oceanographers.

Thanks,

Lowry, Roy K. writes:

> Hello Martin,
>
>
> This topic has been debated at length in CF. To cut a long story short, the 
> term 'Practical Salinity Unit' was coined when the 1978 Practical Salinity 
> scale was devised. However, the term fell out of favour with the physical 
> oceanographic community whose current recommended practice is that Practical 
> Salinity - a ratio - should be a dimensionless number.  CF followed this 
> recommendation and so PSU is not a part of CF.
>
>
> Have a dig around in the mailing list archive if you want to find out more.
>
>
> Cheers, Roy.
>
>
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> Subject: [CF-metadata] Is "psu" a valid cf unit?
>
> Hello David, all,
>
> Is "psu" a valus CF unit? It is not in Udunits, but it is added in cf-python 
> as a unit alias and also appears to be accpeted by the cf-checker. I can't 
> see any mention of it in the CF Convention document: the latter only lists 
> level, layer, and sigma_level permitted departures from Udunits,
>
> regards,
> Martin
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