Steve,

Thank you for your comment.

I am not sure whether I got the comment correct: It does not become clear which mass per which volume is described by "mass_concentration_of_X_in_dry_aerosol_in_air"? You mean ambiguity whether it is either 'mass of X' in the volume of 'dry_aerosol_in_air' of 'only mass of X, which is in dry aerosol' in the volume of 'air'? With respect to the guide you linked: it does not become what 'B' actually is? Thus, I should re-think the order and the connecting prepositions?

Or do want to point out that the terms "atmosphere_mass_content_*" and "mass_concentration_*_in_air" might be problematic in general?

Daniel


On 14.08.2017 16:37, Steven Emmerson wrote:
Greetings,

Just a reminder from an obsessive pedant who favors standards.

The terms "mass concentration" and "mass content", while they might be well-understood in some scientific disciplines, aren't universally understood in all scientific disciplines. FWIW, I recommend looking at what Canada and the US have done regarding standard names for physical quantities. Section 8.6.2 of <https://www.nist.gov/physical-measurement-laboratory/nist-guide-si-chapter-8> is a good starting point.

Regards,
Steve Emmerson

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 3:48 AM, Daniel Neumann <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Just a brief reminder.


    On 24.07.2017 16 <tel:24.07.2017%2016>:59, Daniel Neumann wrote:

        Dear CF-Mailinglist,

        I suggest to rename all standard names (rename = create the
        new names and make the old names aliases to the new ones)

        atmospheric_mass_content_of_X_dry_aerosol
        to
        atmospheric_mass_content_of_X_in_dry_aerosol

        and

        mass_concentration_of_X_dry_aerosol_in_air
        to
        mass_concentration_of_X_in_dry_aerosol_in_air

        and

        
atmosphere_mass_content_of_sulfate_dry_aerosol_particles_expressed_as_sulfur

        to
        
atmosphere_mass_content_of_sulfate_in_dry_aerosol_particles_expressed_as_sulfur


        I am not aware of any reasonable exceptions for X.


        Further I would like to suggest to add

        atmospheric_mass_content_of_X_in_dry_aerosol
        mass_concentration_of_X_in_dry_aerosol_in_air

        for chloride and sodium (units and descriptions according to
        the existing other standard names of this type).


        Reasons:
        (a) As stated here
        (http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/pipermail/cf-metadata/2017/059588.html
        <http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/pipermail/cf-metadata/2017/059588.html>)
        and here
        (http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/pipermail/cf-metadata/2017/059554.html
        <http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/pipermail/cf-metadata/2017/059554.html>),
        the standard name mass_concentration_of_X_dry_aerosol
        describes the total dry mass of all aerosol particles that
        contain traces of X. There is currently no term to describe
        the mass concentration of particulate X.
        (b) As stated here
        (http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/pipermail/cf-metadata/2017/059588.html
        <http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/pipermail/cf-metadata/2017/059588.html>)
        there is no practical application or
        mass_concentration_of_X_dry_aerosol. However, for the CMIP5
        experiments the standard name
        atmospheric_mass_content_of_X_dry_aerosol is used to describe
        the mass content of particulate X (sulfate, nitrate, ammonium)
        in the atmosphere. See standard_output.pdf on
        http://cmip-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cmip5/output_req.html
        <http://cmip-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cmip5/output_req.html> for
        details:
        http://cmip-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cmip5/docs/standard_output.pdf
        <http://cmip-pcmdi.llnl.gov/cmip5/docs/standard_output.pdf> .
        There are probably more situation, in which
        mass_concentration_of_X_dry_aerosol and
        atmospheric_mass_content_of_X_dry_aerosol were wrongly used.
        At least I would have used it wrongly :-) .

        In order to (a) have valid standard names for the mass
        concentration (and mass content) of particulate X and (b) be
        backward compatible with respect to the current usage of
        existing standard names, I suggest to rename the old variable
        names (create new one + make the old ones aliases to the new
        ones) instead of just creating new ones (without alias-ing).


        Regards,
        Daniel
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