Dear Roy, Dear Jonathan,

Thank you for the feedback.


> First, the correct spelling is 'flagellate', not 'flaggelate'.

Thanks for the correction. I should re-read the names before posting them ...


> Secondly, this proposal causes me concerns because it is adding more
> biological names [...], which raises the spectre of Trac ticket 99 [...]
> where we proposed normalising out biological labels rather than
> including them explicitly in Standard Names.

The ticket sounds quite reasonable. It is a much better option than creating individual standard names.

To summarize the status of the ticket in my on words (whether I understand it correctly):  - there needs to be made a decision on whether one reference database for machine-readable taxon IDs should be predefined; and if yes, which database  - someone needs to revise the text of the original ticket as first draft for adding it to CF1.8


My request/need is not urgent in the sense that I would need standard names for an official data publication until a specific date. Because the suggestion in the tickets seems to be a good solution for my situation, I am happy with discarding my suggested new standard names.


Regards,
Daniel


On 29.03.2018 18:46, Jonathan Gregory wrote:
Dear Roy

Yes, it was ticket 99 https://cf-trac.llnl.gov/trac/ticket/99

I still accept the conclusion we reached there re biological taxa and I support
the ticket. As you know, I am not an expert on this, but I will try to
contribute if you revitalise the ticket. I hope that it can be made to meet
Daniel's needs.

Best wishes

Jonathan

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Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 16:12:50 +0000
From: "Lowry, Roy K." <[email protected]>
To: Daniel Neumann <[email protected]>, CF Metadata Mail List
        <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Proposing new names for marine biogeochemical
        modeling

Dear All,


First, the correct spelling is 'flagellate', not 'flaggelate'.


Secondly, this proposal causes me concerns because it is adding more biological names (not 
species but taxonomic phyla, although Flagellate in an unaccepted synonym for 
Discomitochondria<http://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=146221> - 
see http://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=146222), which raises the 
spectre of Trac ticket 99 (I think I've got the number right) where we proposed normalising 
out biological labels rather than including them explicitly in Standard Names.


I think we got to the stage with this ticket of agreeing that normalisation 
would be a good idea, but without coming up with firm details of how the taxon 
label should be incorporated into the CF Parameter attributes to qualify a 
Standard Name such as 'mass_concentration_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water'. I 
would start the ball rolling by pushing WoRMS as the authoritative taxonomic 
reference and the the label should include both human-readable information an 
the AphiaID (which can be used as the basis for a WoRMS URL). Other suggestions 
or ideas on how this information should be encoded syntactically welcome!


I think Daniels' proposal forces the issue. Either the Trac ticket is taken to 
completion - presumably by somebody writing a section for the CF1.8 document - 
or we give up the idea and allow explicit taxon labels with the Standard Names.


I would favour the former approach, but appreciate that work needs to be done 
and needs to be done quickly if we are not to block Daniel's work. I can put 
some time in, but would need some assistance. Any volunteers?


Cheers, Roy.

WoRMS - World Register of Marine Species - 
Flagellates<http://www.marinespecies.org/aphia.php?p=taxdetails&id=146222>
www.marinespecies.org
basis of record Margulis, L.; Schwartz, K.V. (1998). Five Kingdoms: an 
illustrated guide to the Phyla of life on earth. 3rd edition. Freeman: New 
York, NY (USA).




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Subject: [CF-metadata] Proposing new names for marine biogeochemical modeling

Dear List,

I would like to propose 10 new standard names for cyanobacteria and
flagellates (five each). Similar names exist already for diatoms. The
descriptions are copied except for the species-specific part. There is
no urgency in processing this proposal but it produces considerably less
work than my other one.

We only need six of them (three per species). But, by suggesting these
ten names, each diatom standard name has a corresponding cyanobacteria
and flagellate name.

The standard names are:

mass_concentration_of_cyanobacteria_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
mass_concentration_of_cyanobacteria_expressed_as_chlorophyll_in_sea_water
mass_concentration_of_cyanobacteria_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
mole_concentration_of_cyanobacteria_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
mole_concentration_of_cyanobacteria_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
mass_concentration_of_flaggelates_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
mass_concentration_of_flaggelates_expressed_as_chlorophyll_in_sea_water
mass_concentration_of_flaggelates_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water
mole_concentration_of_flaggelates_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water
mole_concentration_of_flaggelates_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water

Please find the descriptions and units further below in this email.

Further I would like to propose two minor and one major changes in the
descriptions of the existing diatom standard names. I will describe the
change, print first the old description, and then print the new description.

Regards,
Daniel


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

NEW NAMES

mass_concentration_of_cyanobacteria_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water

Mass concentration means mass per unit volume and is used in the
construction mass_concentration_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material
constituent of Y. A chemical species denoted by X may be described by a
single term such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as
'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the
construction A_expressed_as_B, where B is a chemical constituent of A.
It means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated
solely with respect to the B contained in A, neglecting all other
chemical constituents of A. Cyanobacteria in this context are
dinitrogen-fixing bacteria (diazotrophs), which perform photosynthesis
and produce oxygen.

kg m-3


mass_concentration_of_cyanobacteria_expressed_as_chlorophyll_in_sea_water

Mass concentration means mass per unit volume and is used in the
construction mass_concentration_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material
constituent of Y. A chemical or biological species denoted by X may be
described by a single term such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as
'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the
construction A_expressed_as_B, where B is a chemical constituent of A.
It means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated
solely with respect to the B containedin A, neglecting all other
chemical constituents of A. Chlorophylls are the green pigments found in
most plants, algae and cyanobacteria; their presence is essential for
photosynthesis to take place. There are several different forms of
chlorophyll that occur naturally. All contain a chlorin ring (chemical
formula C20H16N4) which gives the green pigment and a side chain whose
structure varies. The naturally occurring forms of chlorophyll contain
between 35 and 55 carbon atoms. Cyanobacteria in this context are
dinitrogen-fixing bacteria (diazotrophs), which perform photosynthesis
and produce oxygen.

kg m-3


mass_concentration_of_cyanobacteria_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water

Mass concentration means mass per unit volume and is used in the
construction mass_concentration_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material
constituent of Y. A chemical species denoted by X may be described by a
single term such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as
'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the
construction A_expressed_as_B, where B is a chemical constituent of A.
It means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated
solely with respect to the B contained in A, neglecting all other
chemical constituents of A. Cyanobacteria in this context are
dinitrogen-fixing bacteria (diazotrophs), which perform photosynthesis
and produce oxygen.

kg m-3


mole_concentration_of_cyanobacteria_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water

Mole concentration means number of moles per unit volume, also called
"molarity", and is used in the construction
mole_concentration_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material constituent of Y. A
chemical or biological species denoted by X may be described by a single
term such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as
'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'.The phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the
construction A_expressed_as_B, where B is a chemical constituent of A.
It means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated
solely with respect to the B contained in A, neglecting all other
chemical constituents of A. Cyanobacteria in this context are
dinitrogen-fixing bacteria (diazotrophs), which perform photosynthesis
and produce oxygen.

mol m-3


mole_concentration_of_cyanobacteria_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water

Mole concentration means number of moles per unit volume, also called
"molarity", and is used in the construction
mole_concentration_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material constituent of Y. A
chemical species denoted by X may be described by a single term such as
'nitrogen' or a phrase such as 'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase
'expressed_as' is used in the construction A_expressed_as_B, where B is
a chemical constituent of A. It means that the quantity indicated by the
standard name is calculated in terms of B alone, neglecting all other
chemical constituents of A. Cyanobacteria in this context are
dinitrogen-fixing bacteria (diazotrophs), which perform photosynthesis
and produce oxygen.

mol m-3


mass_concentration_of_flaggelates_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water

Mass concentration means mass per unit volume and is used in the
construction mass_concentration_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material
constituent of Y. A chemical species denoted by X may be described by a
single term such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as
'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the
construction A_expressed_as_B, where B is a chemical constituent of A.
It means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated
solely with respect to the B contained in A, neglecting all other
chemical constituents of A. 'Flagellates' describes a group of plankton,
which have in common whip-like appendages (flagella) that they use for
their locomotion. Flagellates are a diverse group of organisms, some are
photoautotrophs, many are mixotrophs. In most models, flagellates are
considered small (smaller than diatoms) and photoautotrophic. A comment
should indicate whether this variable describes all flagellates or only
the photoautotrophic flagellates.

kg m-3


mass_concentration_of_flaggelates_expressed_as_chlorophyll_in_sea_water

Mass concentration means mass per unit volume and is used in the
construction mass_concentration_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material
constituent of Y. A chemical or biological species denoted by X may be
described by a single term such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as
'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the
construction A_expressed_as_B, where B is a chemical constituent of A.
It means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated
solely with respect to the B containedin A, neglecting all other
chemical constituents of A. Chlorophylls are the green pigments found in
most plants, algae and flaggelates; their presence is essential for
photosynthesis to take place. There are several different forms of
chlorophyll that occur naturally. All contain a chlorin ring (chemical
formula C20H16N4) which gives the green pigment and a side chain whose
structure varies. The naturally occurring forms of chlorophyll contain
between 35 and 55 carbon atoms. 'Flagellates' describes a group of
plankton, which have in common whip-like appendages (flagella) that they
use for their locomotion. Flagellates are a diverse group of organisms,
some are photoautotrophs, many are mixotrophs. In most models,
flagellates are considered small (smaller than diatoms) and
photoautotrophic. A comment should indicate whether this variable
describes all flagellates or only the photoautotrophic flagellates.

kg m-3


mass_concentration_of_flaggelates_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water

Mass concentration means mass per unit volume and is used in the
construction mass_concentration_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material
constituent of Y. A chemical species denoted by X may be described by a
single term such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as
'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the
construction A_expressed_as_B, where B is a chemical constituent of A.
It means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated
solely with respect to the B contained in A, neglecting all other
chemical constituents of A. 'Flagellates' describes a group of plankton,
which have in common whip-like appendages (flagella) that they use for
their locomotion. Flagellates are a diverse group of organisms, some are
photoautotrophs, many are mixotrophs. In most models, flagellates are
considered small (smaller than diatoms) and photoautotrophic. A comment
should indicate whether this variable describes all flagellates or only
the photoautotrophic flagellates.

kg m-3


mole_concentration_of_flaggelates_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water

Mole concentration means number of moles per unit volume, also called
"molarity", and is used in the construction
mole_concentration_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material constituent of Y. A
chemical or biological species denoted by X may be described by a single
term such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as
'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'.The phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the
construction A_expressed_as_B, where B is a chemical constituent of A.
It means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated
solely with respect to the B contained in A, neglecting all other
chemical constituents of A. 'Flagellates' describes a group of plankton,
which have in common whip-like appendages (flagella) that they use for
their locomotion. Flagellates are a diverse group of organisms, some are
photoautotrophs, many are mixotrophs. In most models, flagellates are
considered small (smaller than diatoms) and photoautotrophic. A comment
should indicate whether this variable describes all flagellates or only
the photoautotrophic flagellates.

mol m-3


mole_concentration_of_flaggelates_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water

Mole concentration means number of moles per unit volume, also called
"molarity", and is used in the construction
mole_concentration_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material constituent of Y. A
chemical species denoted by X may be described by a single term such as
'nitrogen' or a phrase such as 'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase
'expressed_as' is used in the construction A_expressed_as_B, where B is
a chemical constituent of A. It means that the quantity indicated by the
standard name is calculated in terms of B alone, neglecting all other
chemical constituents of A. 'Flagellates' describes a group of plankton,
which have in common whip-like appendages (flagella) that they use for
their locomotion. Flagellates are a diverse group of organisms, some are
photoautotrophs, many are mixotrophs. In most models, flagellates are
considered small (smaller than diatoms) and photoautotrophic. A comment
should indicate whether this variable describes all flagellates or only
the photoautotrophic flagellates.

mol m-3


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

CHANGES

mass_concentration_of_diatoms_expressed_as_chlorophyll_in_sea_water

CHANGE:
Remove quotation marks around 'Mass concentration' because it is only
done in this description.

OLD:
'Mass concentration' means mass per unit volume and is used in the
construction mass_concentration_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material
constituent of Y. A chemical or biological species denoted by X may be
described by a single term such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as
'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the
construction A_expressed_as_B, where B is a chemical constituent of A.
It means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated
solely with respect to the B containedin A, neglecting all other
chemical constituents of A. Chlorophylls are the green pigments found in
most plants, algae and cyanobacteria; their presence is essential for
photosynthesis to take place. There are several different forms of
chlorophyll that occur naturally. All contain a chlorin ring (chemical
formula C20H16N4) which gives the green pigment and a side chain whose
structure varies. The naturally occurring forms of chlorophyll contain
between 35 and 55 carbon atoms. Diatoms are single-celled phytoplankton
with an external skeleton made of silica. Phytoplankton are autotrophic
prokaryotic or eukaryotic algae that live near the water surface where
there is sufficient light to support photosynthesis.

NEW:
Mass concentration means mass per unit volume and is used in the
construction mass_concentration_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material
constituent of Y. A chemical or biological species denoted by X may be
described by a single term such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as
'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the
construction A_expressed_as_B, where B is a chemical constituent of A.
It means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated
solely with respect to the B containedin A, neglecting all other
chemical constituents of A. Chlorophylls are the green pigments found in
most plants, algae and cyanobacteria; their presence is essential for
photosynthesis to take place. There are several different forms of
chlorophyll that occur naturally. All contain a chlorin ring (chemical
formula C20H16N4) which gives the green pigment and a side chain whose
structure varies. The naturally occurring forms of chlorophyll contain
between 35 and 55 carbon atoms. Diatoms are single-celled phytoplankton
with an external skeleton made of silica. Phytoplankton are autotrophic
prokaryotic or eukaryotic algae that live near the water surface where
there is sufficient light to support photosynthesis.


mole_concentration_of_diatoms_expressed_as_carbon_in_sea_water

CHANGE:
A missing space.

OLD:
Mole concentration means number of moles per unit volume, also called
"molarity", and is used in the construction
mole_concentration_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material constituent of Y. A
chemical or biological species denoted by X may be described by a single
term such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as
'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'.The phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the
construction A_expressed_as_B, where B is a chemical constituent of A.
It means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated
solely with respect to the B contained in A, neglecting all other
chemical constituents of A. Diatoms are single-celled phytoplankton with
an external skeleton made of silica.Phytoplankton are autotrophic
prokaryotic or eukaryotic algae that live near the water surface where
there is sufficient light to support photosynthesis.

NEW:
Mole concentration means number of moles per unit volume, also called
"molarity", and is used in the construction
mole_concentration_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material constituent of Y. A
chemical or biological species denoted by X may be described by a single
term such as 'nitrogen' or a phrase such as
'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'.The phrase 'expressed_as' is used in the
construction A_expressed_as_B, where B is a chemical constituent of A.
It means that the quantity indicated by the standard name is calculated
solely with respect to the B contained in A, neglecting all other
chemical constituents of A. Diatoms are single-celled phytoplankton with
an external skeleton made of silica. Phytoplankton are autotrophic
prokaryotic or eukaryotic algae that live near the water surface where
there is sufficient light to support photosynthesis.


mole_concentration_of_diatoms_expressed_as_nitrogen_in_sea_water

CHANGE:
Some part of the description was missing in the end (copied from other
descriptions).

OLD:
Mole concentration means number of moles per unit volume, also called
"molarity", and is used in the construction
mole_concentration_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material constituent of Y. A
chemical species denoted by X may be described by a single term such as
'nitrogen' or a phrase such as 'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase
'expressed_as' is used in the construction A_expressed_as_B, where B is
a chemical constituent of A. It means that the quantity indicated by the
standard name is calculated in terms of B alone, neglecting all other
chemical constituents of A.

NEW:
Mole concentration means number of moles per unit volume, also called
"molarity", and is used in the construction
mole_concentration_of_X_in_Y, where X is a material constituent of Y. A
chemical species denoted by X may be described by a single term such as
'nitrogen' or a phrase such as 'nox_expressed_as_nitrogen'. The phrase
'expressed_as' is used in the construction A_expressed_as_B, where B is
a chemical constituent of A. It means that the quantity indicated by the
standard name is calculated in terms of B alone, neglecting all other
chemical constituents of A. It means that the quantity indicated by the
standard name is calculated solely with respect to the B contained in A,
neglecting all other chemical constituents of A. Diatoms are
single-celled phytoplankton with an external skeleton made of silica.
Phytoplankton are autotrophic prokaryotic or eukaryotic algae that live
near the water surface where there is sufficient light to support
photosynthesis.

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