Please note:

Some of these 20 standard names are part of a large renaming proposal that I submitted some month ago. Because a lot of standard names are affected, dealing with this issue was postponed. Depending on whether the renaming proposal is expected to be accepted or not it might be reasonable to create the new standard names in accordance with the renamed or with the current name structure, respectively.

I attached a list of the standard names affected by the proposal (hope the attachment is not removed) and uploaded it to our ftp server (ftp://ftp.io-warnemuende.de/pub/internal/cf_conventions/renaming_aerosol_species.xls ; available until until weekly server-cleanup this weekend).

Please have a look into the discussion
  "Clarifying standard names for 'mass_concentration_of_*_dry_aerosol_particles'"
for details on the suggested modifications and into the discussion
  "New standard names for atmospheric sea salt and for nitrogen deposition"
for details on the reason for the renaming proposal.


My opinion to this proposal:

I would favor construction (2) because it makes it clear from the beginning that the atmospheric concentrations are reduced. Based on my personal feeling as a non-native speaker, "depletion" has a similar meaning than "degradation". Maybe that is wrong. I would favor a work like "removal", which feels to be more general.


Cheers,
Daniel


On 16.05.2018 13:58, Martin Juckes - UKRI STFC wrote:
There are 20 variables in the CMIP6 data request for a variety of dry and wet 
deposition rates. Many of these variables have been used in CMIP5 and earlier 
with standard names of the form: 
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_dust_dry_aerosol_particles_due_to_dry_deposition.


However, there is a conflict in the intended sign convention. The deposition 
rates should be positive when material is leaving the atmosphere, but the 
standard names that have been used should be positive when the atmospheric 
content is increasing. To resolve this we need a set of new standard names. The 
existing tendency names are:

tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_dust_dry_aerosol_particles_due_to_dry_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_ammonia_due_to_dry_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_ammonium_dry_aerosol_particles_due_to_dry_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_particulate_organic_matter_dry_aerosol_particles_due_to_dry_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_sulfur_dioxide_due_to_dry_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_sulfate_dry_aerosol_particles_due_to_dry_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_nitrogen_compounds_expressed_as_nitrogen_due_to_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_dust_dry_aerosol_particles_due_to_wet_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_ammonia_due_to_wet_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_ammonium_dry_aerosol_particles_due_to_wet_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_noy_expressed_as_nitrogen_due_to_wet_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_sulfur_dioxide_due_to_wet_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_sulfate_dry_aerosol_particles_due_to_wet_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_particulate_organic_matter_dry_aerosol_particles_due_to_wet_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_ozone_due_to_dry_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_seasalt_dry_aerosol_particles_due_to_wet_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_elemental_carbon_dry_aerosol_particles_due_to_wet_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_seasalt_dry_aerosol_particles_due_to_dry_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_noy_expressed_as_nitrogen_due_to_dry_deposition
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_elemental_carbon_dry_aerosol_particles_due_to_dry_deposition

Three options have been raised in the preliminary discussions:
(1) Prefix each name with "minus_one_times_": this construction is already used 
for 3 names.

(2) Replace "tendency_of_" with "depletion_rate_of_": this is a new 
construction, but is structurally close to what we have and makes the relation between variables 
very clear;

(3) Replace "tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_" with 
"surface_downward_mass_flux_of_": this uses an existing construction already used in 8 
standard names.

What do others on the list think?

regards,
Martin




________________________________
From: Juckes, Martin (STFC,RAL,RALSP)
Sent: 16 May 2018 08:14
To: Michael Schulz; Taylor Karl
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; Bodas-Salcedo, 
Alejandro; Pamment, Alison (STFC,RAL,RALSP)
Subject: Re: Conflicting sign conventions in deposition rates


Hello Michael, Karl,


OK, it sounds as though we should keep the variables as they are, i.e. positive 
for deposition from the atmosphere, and fix the standard names.


I don't think a positive attribute will solve this problem. It may be useful to add 
"positive=down", but it still leaves an inconsistency with the standard names which 
definitely should be used with positive "up". Standard names for variables with an 
opposite sign convention would not be synonyms: there are many examples of pairs of names which 
differ only in the sign convention, e.g.

surface_upwelling_shortwave_flux_in_air -- 
minus_one_times_surface_upwelling_shortwave_flux_in_air  (+ 2 other pairs like 
this);

surface_downward_heat_flux_in_air -- surface_upward_heat_flux_in_air (+ 5 other 
pairs like this).


We can construct standard names for minus the tendency of quantities in several 
ways, but it may be better  to have that discussion on the CF discussions email 
list .. so I'll make a proposal there, also raising Karl's suggestion 
(depletion_rate_of_ ....),


regards,

Martin






________________________________
From: Michael Schulz <[email protected]>
Sent: 15 May 2018 19:46
To: Juckes, Martin (STFC,RAL,RALSP)
Cc: Taylor Karl; [email protected]; [email protected]; 
Bodas-Salcedo, Alejandro; Pamment, Alison (STFC,RAL,RALSP)
Subject: Re: Conflicting sign conventions in deposition rates

Hi,

true - tendencies have not carefully chosen with a sign in mind.

There is very long tradition that these variables are “positive". So that 
should not be changed.

The standard names are also used since quite some time.

Adding a positive attribute would be my preferred solution.

Otherwise “surface_downward_mass_flux_of_” is fine for me as well. But that 
would introduce a synonym in the system, right?

best wishes
Michael





On 15 May 2018, at 20:13, Martin Juckes - UKRI STFC <[email protected]> 
wrote:

Hello All,


Larry has pointed out a conflict between variable long names and standard names for a set 
of deposition rate variables, many of which were in the CMIP5 aero table, e.g. wetso4, 
"Wet Deposition Rate of SO4" with standard name 
tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_sulfate_expressed_as_sulfur_dry_aerosol_due_to_wet_deposition


A deposition rate would normally be positive when material is leaving the 
atmosphere, making the tendency of atmosphere mass content negative.


I will try to check the sign convention adopted by people submitting data for 
CMIP5, but I suspect that we should follow the sign convention implied by the 
long name .. but this would require new standard names for these variables. A 
full list of the variables is here: 
https://github.com/cmip6dr/CMIP6_DataRequest_VariableDefinitions/issues/328


For new standard names, we could either use the "minus_one_times_" construction, or replace 
"tendency_of_atmosphere_mass_content_of_" with "surface_downward_mass_flux_of_".


What do others think?



regards,

Martin


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