Hi.

I'd like to continue the discussion about persistent identifiers and DOIs, but I'm not sure the current CF github issue <https://github.com/cf-convention/cf-conventions/issues/160> is the best place for it, so I thought I'd attempt to move it to the listserv.

Disclaimer: I still think ACDD is the best place to address adding any persistent identifier attributes.

As Bryan Lawrence points out in the blog posts he references in the github issue there is some conflation of purposes for persistent identifiers. I tend to see two top-level purposes for persistent identifiers within a netCDF file.

 * Identifying the file itself uniquely.
 * Identifying some other object that has a relationship to the file.

There are likely others, but these are the ones that occur to me.

Within the second purpose I see a few different, related uses (and there are probably more):

 * Identifying a collection that the file belongs to.
 * Identifying a published paper that describes the data contained in
   the file.
 * Identifying an organization that is associated with the file
   contents in some way.

It seems to me that it's worthwhile to provide a means to accomplish both top-level purposes within netCDF files.

So what about DOIs in relation to the more general topic of persistent identifiers in netCDF files?

The International DOI Foundation <https://www.doi.org/index.html> says this about DOIs in the Section 1.6.1 <https://www.doi.org/doi_handbook/1_Introduction.html#1.6.1> of their Handbook:

DOI is an acronym for "digital object identifier", meaning a "digital identifier of an object". A DOI name is an identifier (not a location) of an entity on digital networks. It provides a system for persistent and actionable identification and interoperable exchange of managed information on digital networks. A DOI name can be assigned to any entity — physical, digital or abstract — primarily for sharing with an interested user community or managing as intellectual property. The DOI system is designed for interoperability; that is to use, or work with, existing identifier and metadata schemes. DOI names may also be expressed as URLs (URIs).

...

Unique identifiers (names) are essential for the management of information in any digital environment. Identifiers assigned in one context may be encountered, and may be re-used, in another place (or time) without consulting the assigner, who cannot guarantee that his assumptions will be known to someone else. Persistence of an identifier can be considered an extension of this concept: interoperability with the future. Further, since the services outside the direct control of the issuing assigner are by definition arbitrary, interoperability implies the requirement of extensibility. Hence the DOI system is designed as a generic framework applicable to any digital object, providing a structured, extensible means of identification, description and resolution. The entity assigned a DOI name can be a representation of any logical entity.

Based on this description of DOIs, it seems to me that a DOI is a valid, if poor choice for the first top-level purpose that I mentioned. It also seems to me that DOIs are well-suited for accomplishing the second purpose uses. They aren't the only way to accomplish these ends, but they certainly represent a way to do so.

Grace and peace,

Jim

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