I disagree with the notion that Windows systems are not stable as a general
statement. I also disagree with the notion that Unix systems are cheaper to
administer. Windows systems can be very stable if they are administered
correctly. The same goes for Unix systems. All too often Windows get a bad
reputation because of the opinions of Unix devotees who want the operating
system to function like Unix. 

How much will your client invest in infrastructure for a web environment?
For a stable web environment you should have at least 2 servers load
balanced. If you're not launching a global e-commerce initiative where you
need 100% uptime and full redundancy, then Windows 2000 and SQL server 2000
are your best bets. That way you will have the option of using ColdFusion or
ASP. You can develop your DB on Access and upsize to SQL server when you're
ready to go to production. You can also use access as a backend to your
database. If this initiative is important enough, you will be able to limit
your vendor support to Microsoft and Macromedia. 



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        PC Server Stability
        RE: PC Server Stability
        RE: PC Server Stability


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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:57:51 -0500
From: "Christopher P. Maher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PC Server Stability
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I have a potential client who is questionning the stability of PC servers
versus other options. His specific comment is: "one of the issues that has
had a lot of play is that of the stability and downtime of PC Server Systems
vs. Mid-range and up Unix systems"

We are recommending a CF system running on Windows 2000 with a SQL 2000
database.

I would appreciate ideas for how to reply to his comment.

Thanks,

Chris

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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:13:34 -0500
From: Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: PC Server Stability
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I have a potential client who is questionning the 
> stability of PC servers versus other options. His 
> specific comment is: "one of the issues that has
> had a lot of play is that of the stability and 
> downtime of PC Server Systems vs. Mid-range and 
> up Unix systems"
> 
> We are recommending a CF system running on Windows 
> 2000 with a SQL 2000 database.
> 
> I would appreciate ideas for how to reply to his 
> comment.

Well, in general, he's probably right - midrange and better Unix systems are
generally more stable than Windows machines, for various reasons. They're
also more expensive, and the key to building a solution is to find the best
performance for a given price.

That's one reason why Windows servers are as popular as they are. They're
usually adequate for most needs. In addition, they can be cheaper to
administer, in the sense that you don't have to have the same skill level to
be an adequate Windows administrator as you do for Unix. Of course, that has
its own drawbacks, but again, for business use, you often want the cheapest
adequate solution.

I've seen a lot of companies who bought big Solaris boxes and Oracle (to
pick two expensive solutions), not because they needed the power of either,
but because they wanted the "best". They're mostly out of business, now -
they were mostly dot-coms.

Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
voice: (202) 797-5496
fax: (202) 797-5444
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Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 12:12:53 -0500
From: "Dalrymple, B Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: PC Server Stability
Message-ID:
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Go with Linux and Oracle or MySQL or PostgresSQL.  Competes with high end
Unix Systems at a much lower budget for durability.   If he has the money to
pay for high-end systems then send him there.  If not, then look at the
practical alternative for cost effectiveness go with X86 systems and Linux
servers.  If not, then place material on 2000 servers.  It is a security
issue that will need to be looked at from budget, value of information  and
capability of S/W.  I have been running an X86 Solaris with Oracle on it and
it has not required a reboot in a year except for patches.  I have MS 2000
servers that due to upgrades every week are being rebooted @ least once per
week.  I have a Linux system that is only rebooted when upgrades are added
and this is a lot less frequently than Windows systems.  Windows systems
stay up longer if they are running automated Defragmentation S/W.  Not
required for Linux or Solaris....   Sun systems are fine but have to be
organized better and are much more expensive to utilize, overall....personal
opinion on this one!

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher P. Maher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:58 AM
To: CF-Server
Subject: PC Server Stability


I have a potential client who is questionning the stability of PC servers
versus other options. His specific comment is: "one of the issues that has
had a lot of play is that of the stability and downtime of PC Server Systems
vs. Mid-range and up Unix systems"

We are recommending a CF system running on Windows 2000 with a SQL 2000
database.

I would appreciate ideas for how to reply to his comment.

Thanks,

Chris

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Christopher P. Maher, FCAS, MAAA
Maher Associates, Inc.
Actuarial and Computer Consulting
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.maherassociates.com

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Macromedia ColdFusion 5 Training from the Source
  Step by Step ColdFusion
  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201758474/houseoffusion

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