hmmm I get paid to produce web pages ergo I am a professional end of
story........
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> Sent: 13 April 2000 17:39
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors
>
> Obviously you've never received 80-90 marked up pages done by professional
> designers in Dreamweaver. Dreamweaver most certainly does produce "messy"
> code. If you'd like, I'll be happy to send you a sample.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mack, Chris R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:29 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Text Editors vs Site Editors
>
>
> I think a lot of professionals designers use WYSIWYG editors. I use
> Dreamweaver not because I don't know html, but rather because it saves me
> time. I can layout and tweak tables much faster using Dreamweaver than I
> can in CF Studio. Dreamweaver does not leave "messy" code when doing
> straight html stuff. I mean isn't a <table> tag the same in Dreamweaver
> or
> if done by hand? Frontpage is the one that has given a bad name for
> WYSIWYG
> editors. It uses all kinds of proprietary comments and markup to maintain
> a
> site. Just because you can do something in notepad does not mean you are
> any more professional than someone who knows the same code as you and can
> do
> the same thing, but chooses to save time by going WYSIWIG. Check out
> Adobe.com. They are using their product GoLive. You think the web
> designers there are not professionals? The vi/notepad vs. WYSIWIG is just
> a
> remnant of the "M$ vs UNIX" wars. I can hand code all day long, but
> that's
> the problem, I have better things to do than to prove that I can layout a
> table in notepad.
>
> Chris R. Mack
> Manager, Internet Strategies
> Lockheed Martin Technology Services
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 5:47 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Text Editors vs Site Editors
>
>
> As far as I'm concerned CF Studio IS a text editor. It's just help files,
> browser, etc, all in one. I don't really see it any different than having
> notepad, ftp, IE, and some tutorial websites all open except the
> convenince
> factor. I've never and will never use the Design Tab (yuck!) As for using
> text editors being out dated, I don't know a single professinla designer
> who
> uses a WYSIWYG editor. For the most part, only the customers who design
> their own and constantly have problems use those (*cough* Frontpage
> *cough*). I type pretty much everything myself, but CF just nicely helps
> out
> aging memories like mine :) Pus, there are always times when its easier to
> just telnet into the machine and use pico or edit to modify files. I think
> using text editors or non-WYSIWYG editors is not only not outdated but
> preferred. I can't count the number of times I've been asked "Can you hand
> code?" by places I've applied for a job. Although I almost always use CF
> Studio now, I still consider it handcoding. Plus I can always use notepad
> if
> need be.
>
> -Will
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Craig M. Rosenblum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 11:18 AM
> Subject: Text Editors vs Site Editors
>
>
> > I have always been using texpad or notepad to edit and create my code,
> > because i'm of the older keyboard'n generation rather than the mouse and
> gui
> > generation....
> >
> > But it seems like being a user of text editors is so outre' (out dated)
> or
> > non-conformist...
> >
> > Just out of curiousity how many of you use a text editor vs cf studio
> and
> > the like?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mike Sheldon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 12:09 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: Is HomeSite Soon To Be History?
> > >
> > >
> > > What a load of hooey!
> > >
> > > Ignoring the fact that this message was a thinly-disguised
> > > advertisement for
> > > a competing product...
> > >
> > > Some of us out here actually KNOW HOW TO CODE! We don't need bloatware
> > > handholding to create high-quality sites. It's my opinion, but if you
> need
> > > this type of layout program to create websites, then you're not a
> > > programmer. You may be a designer, but you're not a programmer and
> should
> > > not be allowed to write code. Programmers actually take pride in
> > > *understanding what they are doing* instead of just connecting the
> pretty
> > > dots.
> > >
> > > I certainly don't do all of my coding in notepad, but the editors I do
> use
> > > (Homesite, CF Studio and Visual Studio) are primarily code-editors
> (First
> > > thing I do on install is disable the layout tab). Nonetheless, if
> Homesite
> > > and CF Studio were to disappear tomorrow, you'll find me happily
> > > editing in
> > > Notepad or vi.
> > >
> > > Bah, Amateurs!
> > >
> > > Michael J. Sheldon
> > > Internet Applications Developer
> > > Phone: 480.699.1084
> > > http://www.desertraven.com/
> > > PGP Key Available on Request
> > >
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