Well then, thank you both...as the show is always a great.  

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 9:14 PM
>>To: CF-Talk
>>Subject: RE: filesystem security (was: Idea Incubator -
>>javax.imageio.Imag eReader)
>>
>>
>>We always agree... we just pretend like we at each other's throats for
>>the entertainment of the list.
>>
>>Matt Liotta
>>President & CEO
>>Montara Software, Inc.
>>http://www.montarasoftware.com/
>>V: 415-577-8070
>>F: 415-341-8906
>>P: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Craig Thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 6:15 PM
>>> To: CF-Talk
>>> Subject: RE: filesystem security (was: Idea Incubator -
>>javax.imageio.Imag
>>> eReader)
>>> 
>>> Holy s$%# Batman!  did Dave and Matt just agree!?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 7:39 PM
>>> >>To: CF-Talk
>>> >>Subject: RE: filesystem security (was: Idea Incubator -
>>> >>javax.imageio.Imag eReader)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>I certainly agree and have stated so in other threads. The virtual
>>> >>machine image concept is finally starting to go somewhere. It is now
>>> >>possible to easily host many different Linux images on the same
>>> >>hardware. IBM also offers this kind of setup on its mainframes.
>>> >>Although, the costs of hardware are making this setup less cost
>>> >>effective. For example, RLX makes a blade chassis that can
>>accommodate
>>> >>24 blades in 3 U of space. With each blade costing around $1500 a
>>piece,
>>> >>a rack full of blades is a much better deal than a mainframe.
>>> >>
>>> >>Matt Liotta
>>> >>President & CEO
>>> >>Montara Software, Inc.
>>> >>http://www.montarasoftware.com/
>>> >>V: 415-577-8070
>>> >>F: 415-341-8906
>>> >>P: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >>
>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 4:38 PM
>>> >>> To: CF-Talk
>>> >>> Subject: RE: filesystem security (was: Idea Incubator -
>>> >>javax.imageio.Imag
>>> >>> eReader)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > I think this brings up interesting security issues for
>>> >>> > virtual hosting companies. In this case, accessing files
>>> >>> > with IE would be done using the application server's user.
>>> >>> > Thus enabling all of the virtual users to see each other's
>>> >>> > files since there is only a single application server.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Well, personally, I've always thought that secure shared hosting
>>was
>>> >>> always
>>> >>> pretty much a lost cause. I think that the only reasonably safe
>>> >>approach
>>> >>> is
>>> >>> to use virtual machines - something like VMware's GSX server, for
>>> >>example.
>>> >>> While Jochem's setup is probably safe enough for most people, I
>>doubt
>>> >>that
>>> >>> many shared hosting providers go to that extreme. It just seems
>>like
>>> >>too
>>> >>> much trouble to me, but maybe I'm just too lazy. And when you
>>start
>>> >>using
>>> >>> CF
>>> >>> in virtual machines, I suspect you might need one license for each
>>VM,
>>> >>> which
>>> >>> might be a bit expensive.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I do remember the "old days", though, when a web server
>>administrator
>>> >>was
>>> >>> expected to read every CGI script to ensure that it didn't do
>>anything
>>> >>> bad.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
>>> >>> http://www.figleaf.com/
>>> >>> voice: (202) 797-5496
>>> >>> fax: (202) 797-5444
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> 
>>
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