You don't necessarily have to look at them in other languages. It all
depends on what packages of functionality you are starting with. Take
for example consuming a Web service with CFMX. It takes a single line of
CF code to consume an Axis compatible Web service. To do the same thing
using a Java servlet takes a single line of code with Axis as well. Of
course there is a fundamental difference; you have more control in the
Java world even using the same library.

Creating web applications doesn't take less time with CF because it has
things like email or Web services abstracted to a single line of code.
Creating web applications takes less time with CF because it is tag
based and mixes well with HTML. You might be able to put other
languages' syntax inside tags with other application servers, but your
mind has to do a mental context switch every time you move from HTML to
your language's respective syntax.

Matt Liotta
President & CEO
Montara Software, Inc.
http://www.montarasoftware.com/
V: 415-577-8070
F: 415-341-8906
P: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2002 2:51 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF vs. ASP
> 
> > Oh please! You're comparing apples to oranges. Just because
> > all of the cfmail code is hidden from you; it doesn't mean
> > it isn't there.
> 
> While I don't buy Tony's comparison in full (there are certainly
cleaner
> ways to write the ASP code), I think you're missing the point. Sure,
all
> the
> same things are happening, but with CF, you don't have to look at them
-
> the
> functionality is abstracted away from you within a very nice, clean
> presentation model. The tag-based presentation model can't be beat for
> generating output into larger strings being sent to the browser or an
SMTP
> server or whatever.
> 
> Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
> http://www.figleaf.com/
> voice: (202) 797-5496
> fax: (202) 797-5444
> 
> 
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