Since my applications are based on CFMX it would take a lot longer than 15 minutes to reimplement them with CF 5.
Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 > -----Original Message----- > From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 6:00 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: > LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) > > umm... I can reimplement CF 5 in about 15 minutes... How about you? > > > I don't know how you break out developer time in your > > costs, but I can > > imagine spending developer time on workarounds can get > > expensive fast. > > > Matt Liotta > > President & CEO > > Montara Software, Inc. > > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > > 888-408-0900 x901 > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:49 PM > >> To: CF-Talk > >> Subject: RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC > >> Drivers was > > Re: > >> LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) > >> > >> So you're advocating a minimum 140% increase in the cost > >> of the server > > as > >> a > >> "fix" for their JDBC problems? I think there are better > >> solutions -- I > >> don't > >> think any of them will result in applications which are > >> not working on > > MX > >> now working on MX flawlessly _today_ , but it seems to me > >> that using > > the > >> ODBC socket temporarily or using an MX license to run CF > >> 5 in > > production > >> until issues with MX can be resolved are reasonable > >> interrim > > solutions. > >> > >> S. Isaac Dealey > >> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > >> > >> www.turnkey.to > >> 954-776-0046 > >> > >> > You can buy a single server license to WebSphere for > >> > 7k. > >> > >> > Matt Liotta > >> > President & CEO > >> > Montara Software, Inc. > >> > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > >> > 888-408-0900 x901 > >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:43 AM > >> >> To: CF-Talk > >> >> Subject: Re: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party > >> >> JDBC Drivers > > was > >> > Re: > >> >> LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) > >> >> > >> >> I'd be really hesitant to assume that anyone who can > >> >> afford to > >> > implement > >> >> CFMX can afford to implement WebSphere... I haven't > >> >> looked at it > >> > recently, > >> >> but I remember someone mentioning a figure to me that > >> >> was well over > >> > 10x > >> >> the > >> >> cost of CFMX Enterprise. I may be confused and that > >> >> may include the > >> > cost > >> >> of > >> >> the hardware, et al, though I'd be surprised if the > >> >> software alone > >> > were > >> >> terribly inexpensive even after stripping all the > >> >> extra stuff... > >> >> > >> >> S. Isaac Dealey > >> >> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > >> >> > >> >> www.turnkey.to > >> >> 954-776-0046 > >> >> > >> >> > It would seem to me that the underlying J2EE > >> >> > application server > >> >> > implements everything that goes along with JDBC > >> >> > drivers like > >> > connection > >> >> > pooling, etc. Possibly, the people who are having > >> >> > JDBC problems > > with > >> >> > CFMX should try CFMX J2EE on top of IBM WebSphere > >> >> > and see if the > >> >> > problems go away. > >> >> > >> >> > Matt Liotta > >> >> > President & CEO > >> >> > Montara Software, Inc. > >> >> > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > >> >> > 888-408-0900 x901 > >> >> > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> From: S. Isaac Dealey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 8:47 AM > >> >> >> To: CF-Talk > >> >> >> Subject: Re: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG > >> >> >> time CF > > Supporter > >> > - > >> >> > About > >> >> >> ready to dump CF! > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Tuesday, Oct 8, 2002, at 18:05 US/Pacific, S. > >> >> >> > Isaac > >> >> >> > Dealey wrote: > >> >> >> >> I thought all the db drivers were 3rd party ... > >> >> >> >> Has > >> >> >> >> Allaire / MM > >> >> >> >> actually > >> >> >> >> developed db drivers? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Er, no, I just meant that the JDBC drivers about > >> >> >> > which > >> >> >> > people are > >> >> >> > complaining were not written by us... which means > >> >> >> > that we > >> >> >> > are reliant > >> >> >> > on 3rd party vendors fixing them or making other > >> >> >> > drivers > >> >> >> > available. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Ahh gotcha ... See, I'd been under the impression > >> >> >> that was the > > case > >> >> >> all-along, which I guess explains why I never > >> >> >> expected any > >> > potential > >> >> >> problems with db drivers to be quick fixes... > >> >> >> because it > > requires > >> > MM > >> >> > tech > >> >> >> support getting enough data to give to the 3rd > >> >> >> party and then > >> > either > >> >> >> producing a work-around or haggling with the driver > >> >> >> vendors or > >> > both, > >> >> > which > >> >> >> I > >> >> >> imagine could be a protracted sort of arrangement. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Isaac > >> >> >> Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer > >> >> >> > >> >> >> www.turnkey.to > >> >> >> 954-776-0046 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~| > > Archives: > > http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 > > Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sideb > > ar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk > > FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq > > Your ad could be here. 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