actually totally not bitter.. I use to sit around and laugh at the insanity...
Herman Miller pay day baby... those little funny cars... the denial... Oh the jet set wannabes :) she likes, ahh you money ... I was always the black cloud of death reminder... Paris Lundis Founder Areaindex, L.L.C. http://www.areaindex.com http://www.pubcrawler.com 412-292-3135 [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] [connecting people, places and things] -----Original Message----- From: Mosh Teitelbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 16:10:29 -0400 Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > LOL > > - Mr. Know It All but Knows Nothing Web Dork > > -- > Mosh Teitelbaum > evoch, LLC > Tel: (301) 625-9191 > Fax: (301) 933-3651 > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 3:54 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > > > > At least you're not bitter. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paris Lundis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 12:37 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > > > > It's an economy and burnout thing... > > > > I mean how many people need software built? How many people are > > throwing hard cash at a software based business concept? > > > > Not many. > > > > Couple that with the reduced budgets everyone is facing across the > > board and bingo! Hiring isn't what is in, firing is... > > > > The whole view that the web was where you had to be, is a has been > > idea... Now its trivilized greatly (after the cafe mocha brewer > turned > > web dude turned 20something CEO phase)... The margins are razor > thin in > > general and clients expect tons of functionality at little or no > cost.. > > > > Companies with payrolls are feeling the lashings, even if they are > > selling box software... Retainers, once the staple of entitlement > have > > evaporated and lots of people owe for development across the > board... > > > > Times are tough and leaner... Better and different... > > > > At least now I can laugh that Mr. Know It All but Knows Nothing Web > > Dorks and the idiot business school wanks with their bullshit $800 > > chairs and stupid gimmicks are back at their mostly trivial jobs > for > > mostly someone else... > > > > > > Paris Lundis > > Founder > > Areaindex, L.L.C. > > http://www.areaindex.com > > http://www.pubcrawler.com > > 412-292-3135 > > [finding the future in the past, passing the future in the present] > > [connecting people, places and things] > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Trey Rouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:45:38 -0500 > > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > > > I have to agree with Casey on this one. There are practically no > CF > > > postings in the Texas market. Dallas has by far the most of any > > > other > > > regional market. > > > > > > I'm no longer a developer and have moved up past the architect > tear, > > > and > > > honestly, I here 5x as many stories of people ditching CF than > > > ramping > > > up. The enterprise penetration of MX has been weak. MM would > blame > > > this > > > on the marketplace, but I'm not sold on this. > > > > > > We honestly are seriously considering dumping the product and > > > retraining > > > our CF team for native j2ee. MM's failure to support Oracles > j2ee > > > server is killing them in the education and corporate > marketplaces. > > > Too > > > many large schools and corporations have purchased 'site' > licensure > > > of > > > oracle products that comes bundled with oracle's j2ee server. > > > Fiscally > > > we can not justify purchasing another party j2ee server just to > > > continue > > > using the CF toolset. We are moving forward with what we already > own. > > > Talking with industry piers, we are by no means the only large > shop > > > doing this. > > > > > > My advice, if you want to maintain your marketability, you better > > > ramp > > > up on other application server languages. > > > > > > Trey Rouse > > > Rice University > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Casey C Cook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 9:54 AM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > > > > > > Well, heres my 2 cents. When the economy was booming I noticed > > > about > > > a 1 > > > > to 5 ratio (roughly 100 CF 500 ASP) for coldfusion to ASP jobs > on > > > > monster.com for the Dallas/Ft. Worth Texas Area, now that the > > > economy > > > is > > > > down I see a 1 to 12 ratio (roughly 10 CF 120 ASP) for > coldfusion > > > to > > > ASP > > > > jobs for the Dallas/Ft. Worth Texas Area. I know this is a > very > > > small > > > > sample, but if I was looking to stay in this area I would say > CF > > > jobs > > > are > > > > becoming more scarce. > > > > > > > > Best of luck. > > > > Casey Cook > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Angel > > > > Stewart" <gel To: CF-Talk <cf- > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > @silkcotton.c cc: > > > > om> Subject: RE: How > Good > > > is > > > the > > > > Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > > > > > > 10/12/02 > > > > 09:10 AM > > > > Please > > > > respond to > > > > cf-talk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should be asking how good is the job market for Web > Development > > > in > > > > the US in general, > > > > rather than focusing on CF, and that might give you a better > > > answer. > > > > > > > > -Gel > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: siva girumala [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > How good is the job market for ColdFusion expertise? > > > > It seems the number of openings in ColdFusion are > > > > becoming less and less. > > > > > > > > Is it dying? I am sorry to even mention this. But i > > > > would like to know the future of ColdFusion..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
