I would venture to say that for every external cf app, there are at
least 2 internal apps of equal or larger size and dimension. That is
certainly true for my organization. We like using cf for its rad. That
being said it is not the ideal or best solution for all problems. We
always work to expand our knowledge of other solutions, in the end cf is
just that... cf. Personally I am a big oss fan. Lots can be done for
free, when in doubt... google.
Regards,
Alexander Sicular
Chief Technology Architect
Neurological Institute of New York
Columbia University
as867 {at} columbia [dot] edu
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:23 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: The Hidden CF factor was RE: How Good is the Job Market for
ColdFusion?
Vernon, there are probably many internal apps being developed on CF that
can never be viewed from the public Internet. We are working on three
major ones at present, two for Sempra Energy and one for Ernst and
Young. These are large applications being created to replace legacy
ones. I am sure there must be other such things going on out there.
Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO
Webapper
http://www.webapper.com
Downey CA Office
562.243.6255
AIM - webappermb
"Webapper - Making the NET work"
-----Original Message-----
From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 4:25 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion?
>The enterprise penetration of MX has been weak. MM would blame this
on the marketplace, but I'm not sold on this.
Server version upgrade cycles in the enterprise app-server space is
around 12 months, according to those I've discussed it with. We're
really only about halfway through the cycle at this time. The overall
installed CF base is pretty healthy, and growing. Here's a partial list
of existing CF sites we use for PR/marketing:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/proven/
Even considering the upgrade cycle in the enterprise app-server world,
the list of CFMX enterprise sites is growing every day. The following
are a few of the CFMX sites recently sent to me:
http://www.ecoprimalquest.com/
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm?countryid=19&languageid=1
http://www.panasonic.com.au/hometheatre
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/ (some CF, some dynamic Flash content, some
just plain HTML) http://www.reservations.broadmoor.com
We know a lot of enterprise-level customers have upgraded to CFMX and
are in the upgrade cycle - but they don't always report back to us when
they go live with CFMX, so feel free to send me sites that you know of
too!
In addition to this stuff, consider the ways Macromedia is expanding the
CF
market:
*Ground-up rewrite in Java: This expands CF capabilities, as well as
makes CF an option to the enterprise-level sites which want the benefits
of deploying on a the Java platform and the rapid app dev (RAD) offered
by CF. It also means current CF customers have a way to move up to the
Java platform without requiring they abandon their existing apps (or
their CF developers). Admittedly, this has been a challenging release of
CF for some, but once the dust settles, CF and the CF community will
enjoy this huge leap forward.
*We're working to deliver the information developers need to help them
be successful with ColdFusion and our other technology offerings:
www.macromedia.com/desdev
*We're tappiing into new markets for CF:
-With Flash remoting, the HUGE Flash community is getting turned on to
CF. While one can purchase Flash remoting for ASP, Flashers taking to CF
readily because of it's shorter learning curve and RAD capabilities.
-Dreamweaver users: OK, before you pile on me about this one, I'm not
trying to debate the CFStudio/HS+ vs. Dreamweaver issue for CFers.
Dreamweaver is ~80% of the HTML editor market, and these folks are
moving into the dynamic application/web app development space in droves.
Dreamweaver MX makes their entry into the CF arena a snap with its built
in server behaviors that cover the most basic stuff, and CF's shorter
learning curve and tagged based syntax makes CF a very attractive for
these new application developers.
*We've delivered innovative products that are more integrated and work
more smoothly with each other than ever before, offering "one-stop"
shopping for industry leading technologies. This also means that we can
deliver well integrated technologies, and better information for those
who are integrating these various technologies. But we've also worked to
remain somewhat agnostic with many of these innovations; many (most) of
these innovations integrate with 3rd party products/platforms.
Individually, one may not be positioned to take advantage of everything
we offer surrounding CF, but we see businesses moving into these areas
as they begin to plan and implement new projects, and bring additional
technologies & skills into their shops.
It's been said Macromedia should concentrate on CF improvements and
fixes and forget everything else, but our efforts across the board are
not mutually exclusive. We've already released one CFMX updater, and
another is fortcoming.
Macromedia is fully behind ColdFusion and ColdFusion developers. Yes,
there is definately room for improvement, as is evidenced by some of the
more lively discussion on this list recently. But we do listen to and
incorporate to the community's feedback, while we continue to innovate.
Unfortunately, sometimes we can't talk about everything happening, even
in the face of
(emerging) competition. But that shouldn't be misread as an indication
that nothing is happening behind the scenes.
I personally think the economy has stifled some of the payoff from
Macromedia's efforts, it's stifled just about everything involving
economics! But eventually you will start to see these efforts start to
pay off for ColdFusion and CF developers.
Nay-sayers can say spout gloom and doom if they will, but CF is on the
way up. We're just gettin' started!
Vernon Viehe
ColdFusion Community Manager
Developer Relations
Macromedia, Inc.
Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/
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