My .2 euro cents (based on the market I know). Even if it is the best RAD tool on the market, I think it's going to be hard for CFMX to fight against the current .NET (asp.net) and J2EE (jsp) trends on the french enterprise market.
In France, the CF hype was during the "big Internet era" (2/3 years ago). It was mainly used by people building web applications at that time : web agencies. This era is over (most of enterprise applications are developped "in house"). Now that web technologies (application servers) are becoming the heart of enterprise IT infrastructures, IT decision makers have to choose or have choosen in between the two current main tech trends : .NET or J2EE (usually depending on their company background). Those technology choices are now taken at the corporate level (not the departemental level anymore). Most of french IT managers and decision makers don't know much about CF (much more popular in US than in Europe, I think). Moreover, CFMX is a brand new product and is not used (yet) by large web sites... So for them, it is not a proven solution on the market, even for the front end of J2EE applications. They don't want to take any risks. I know that it is a pity (I am big fan of CFMX), but it's like that. I am very curious to see what will happen next for CFMX here, especially with IBM sales forces. In my opinion, the success of CFMX will also depends on the adoption of the Rich Internet Application concept. CFMX is (from far) the best "server side" to build Rich Internet App. Everybody predict the success of this concept, Forester call it the X-Internet (eXecutable by 2003 + eXtended by 2005 ;). The problem right now : there isn't any real big Rich Internet App on the market, and till then, no decision makers will take any risks to bet on it. So what MM needs is real life examples : something like amazon has integrated Rich Internet Applications with CFMX+FlashMX on their site and their sales have been improved by 20%! Then corporate decision makers will run to MM to get licenses!!! Decision makers needs facts (not demos) : - technology facts (scalibility real examples) - and business facts (ROI real examples). It will certainly happen, I don't worry about the future of CFMX + FlashMX. In this area, it is going to be a killer technology, but it will take some time... Market adoption of new technologies is VERY slow right now (look at .NET!). So be patient and prepare your MX skills... (message : "learn Flash MX") Benoit Hediard www.benorama.com -----Message d'origine----- De : Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoy� : mercredi 16 octobre 2002 21:53 � : CF-Talk Objet : Re: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? There are also uses for CF that are more properly called "Utility" or "Application Support" programs. Examples of this are: 1) Using CF to write a general-purpose SQL client that can be used by developers and by end-users for ad hoc database manipulation -- you can put a secure, non-destructive, easy-to-use SQL tool in the hands of end users. 2) Data analysis - as part of the development process it is often necessary to analyze a client's existing offline database to determine the needs and optimum design of the online database, 3) Using CF to try different database/application design alternatives. 4) Once a database design has been determined, using CF to create and populate the online database from the client's offline database -- validating, restructuring and normalizing the data as part of the conversion process. 5) Using CF to prototype a client's application without expending a lot of resources. All of these share the characteristic of infrequent, or incidental use -- and aren't really considered production applications. Because of its powerful database (and data) manipulation capability and the ease with which you can create programs, CF is a superior tool for the above. Dick On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 12:14 PM, Mark A. Kruger - CFG wrote: > Ok - so there a lot of .cfm sites and pages out there - more than .JSP > ... > or am I missing something. I wouldn't use a google search as a > definitive > test (for anything). CF is a widely adopted technology inside the > intranet > and extranet as well. In fact, the most amazing uses of CF have > always been > on the intranet - not the public web. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:06 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? > > > Trey, I just did a very simple search on Google looked for ".cfm" got > 25.5 > million results, ".asp" 89.2 million, ".php" 106 million, ".jsp" 13.6 > million. > > Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO > Webapper > http://www.webapper.com > Downey CA Office > 562.243.6255 > AIM - webappermb > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
