I certainly didn't advocate not using Flash Remoting. I was simply making others aware of problems with it and reminding them that it is a 1.0 product. I did this because of a post exclaiming the perfect marriage of CF and Flash.
I felt that your post attempted to push under the rug the issues I raised by suggesting that it works great for you and therefore should work great for others. That might not have been your intent, but that is how I read it. I feel this list allows for us to share our experiences with our peers hopefully allowing the community to avoid the pitfalls others have made. I was simply doing my duty to explain the pitfalls we have ran into. It is great that your particular applications didn't run into the same issues, but that doesn't change the fact that the issues exist. We will continue to use Flash Remoting because it is a solution for us. However, in hindsight I wouldn't have relied so heavily on it knowing what I know now. Matt Liotta President & CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:mkruger@;cfwebtools.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 10:22 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was RE: SOT: Sad Day) > > Matt, > > What we have done is created 2 great applications under budget and before > the deadline - increasing our margin by 15%. We have clients begging for > more. That makes the ROI on flash remoting looking pretty darn good. In > fact, I'm looking to hire a full time Flash guy in January. Your points > may > be valid. Yes flash remoting is "version 1.0", but Flash remoting has > great > promise - and great functionality now. What if everyone gave up on HTML > in > the early days because of its lack of this or that. So we have to go a > different route when we need mixed platforms and marshalling complex > objects. And as for remoting with something other than CFMX - why should > I? > Part of my business is pitching that particular platform - something we do > quite successfully I might add. Some of us are simply replacing clunky > HTML > interfaces with a brand new user experience - and flash remoting really is > a > superior choice for that task. When YOU scream about something I say > "wait > and see". When my clients start screaming - then I'll worry <g>. > > -mk > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Liotta [mailto:mliotta@;r337.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:03 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was RE: SOT: Sad Day) > > > Have you tried using Flash Remoting with anything other than CFMX? > Have you tried marshalling complex objects? > Have you tried marshalling objects with large blocks of text? > Have you tried any of the above on mixed platforms i.e. Windows and > Linux? > > Matt Liotta > President & CEO > Montara Software, Inc. > http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > 888-408-0900 x901 > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:mkruger@;cfwebtools.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 9:54 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was RE: SOT: Sad Day) > > > > Ditto - we've done 2 aps with rave reviews and we are working on 2 > more. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stacy Young [mailto:Stacy.Young@;sfcommerce.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:29 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was RE: SOT: Sad Day) > > > > > > Remoting rocks. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tilbrook, Peter [mailto:Peter.Tilbrook@;abcb.gov.au] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 11:00 PM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was RE: SOT: Sad Day) > > > > Memories of claims about Spectra's capabilities come to mind. > > > > >Flash Remoting certainly is a timely idea that could enable some very > > >impressive applications. However, the marriage of Flash and CF is far > > >from perfect. People talk of the possibilities and show examples that > > >wow developers, but the truth is that organizations who are trying to > > >build complex applications that make use of Flash Remoting are > finding > > >serious problems. > > > > > >We have been working with Flash Remoting since the beginning and have > > >found it to be a constant struggle. Complex objects are corrupted and > > >line endings are changed as data is marshaled. Flash Remoting itself > is > > >different in functionality and behavior from CFMX to J2EE to .NET. > The > > >documentation is spares to non-existent, while at the same time > > >misleading on occasion. Worst of all, Macromedia has only > acknowledged > > >out findings and has offered no solutions. > > > > > >Flash Remoting is a great idea, but it simply isn't all there. Like > any > > >1.0 product, buyer beware. I look forward to the day when the issues > are > > >fixed. > > > > > >Matt Liotta > > >President & CEO > > >Montara Software, Inc. > > >http://www.montarasoftware.com/ > > >888-408-0900 x901 > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: David Hannum (Ohio University) [mailto:hannum@;ohio.edu] > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:29 PM > > > > To: CF-Talk > > > > Subject: Re: SOT: Sad Day > > > > > > > > > I'll back you up. MM has a long history of abandoning products. > > >Everyone > > > > > seems to act like CF is invincible, yet it was sold by Allaire a > > >little > > > > > over a year ago. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > Do you think MM will keep CF around if it starts to tank? Phat > > >chance. > > > > > If the software doesn't sail, these captains jump before the > women > > >and > > > > > children. I know I'm not the only one who learned Generator. :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > MM bought Allaire, not because there was anything wrong with it, > but > > > > because > > > > there was so much right with it. When you can do as much and more > > >with > > > > CFMX > > > > and Flash MX than you could with Generator, with much less cost > and > > >far > > > > less > > > > server overhead, why shouldn't you abandon Generator? The cfm/fla > > > > marriage > > > > is perfect. Cost to performance and capability, it's positioned > to be > > >the > > > > greatest thing since soft butter! If you've read the postings of > > >people > > > > who > > > > attended DevCon, you'll notice an extreme optimism among CF'ers. > MM > > >is > > > > taking CF & Flash to the lead in a new wave of internet > applications. > > >And > > > > the neat part is, MM is making it possible for PHP, ASP and Java > to > > >play > > > > too! I was very skeptical when MM purchased Allaire. But they > keep > > > > showing > > > > me a stronger and stronger commitment. I have no trouble staying > with > > >MM. > > > > They've shown that they are making CF one of their flagship > products. > > > > > > > > As for dropping a product when it's outlived its useful life, > that's > > >just > > > > good business. That does not make a company bad. Generator's > life > > >had > > > > come > > > > to an end when it became apparent that client side power was > practicle > > > > with > > > > the advances in Flash. CF is a much better server side solution > to > > >power > > > > that. Dropping Generator was not a bad idea on MM's part. It was > a > > >very > > > > good idea. Good business. > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
