Yes, I have that book as well and it is quite good. I should also mention that tools like Rational Rose will write a ton of code for you based on the design you have created - there's a very tight coupling in Java between design and implementation.
> -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 1:31 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Java in CF (CFMX) > > > Dick, I am reading the "Beginning Java Objects" book by Jacquie > Barker, you > can see it shown here with a couple of sample chapters (it is a > good book). > > http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/Books/javaprogramming/begobjects/ > > I find it very helpful. I also use Fusebox in the CF > Applications I create. > Although Fusebox is not 'OO' the thought processes inherent in > using Fusebox > have helped me to move away from the path of pure procedural work, hth. > > Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO > Webapper > Blog http://www.webapper.net > Web site http://www.webapper.com > Downey CA Office > 562.243.6255 > AIM - webappermb > > Web Application Specialists > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 12:22 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Java in CF (CFMX) > > > Thanks, guys! > > I am not quite convinced, but almost... > > About 6 years ago, I attempted to learn Java with a "Teach Yourself" > book. > > I actually had some success, but the system was pretty rough (JDK 1.0.2 > on a Mac II), there was no Swing GUI, and most importantly it was > difficult develop desktop applications. > > I then discovered the web, and Never got back to Java (although I made > a few half-hearted attempts). > > I was hoping that CF could provide a simple bridge to learning Java a > little-at-a-time-- maybe that's not practical. > > I will take your suggestions, read the referenced items and see where > that leads ms. > > Dick > > On Sunday, November 24, 2002, at 09:49 AM, Kwang Suh wrote: > > > Yeah, what Sean said :) > > > > Further to this, I can't stress just how *easy* Java syntax is. I > > haven't > > coded a Java syntax error in about a month - it's getting that simple > > for > > me. It's everything else about Java that's a PITA. And, there's *no* > > way > > you can just learn Java syntax and then know, for instance, what an > > EJB is > > or even *why* someone would even bother to create an EJB. > > > > I think even Sun realizes just how easy CF is to use - take a look at > > JSTL! > > Import the taglib with a namespace of "cf" and you've got something > > that > > even looks like CF! > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:14 AM > >> To: CF-Talk > >> Subject: Re: Java in CF (CFMX) > >> > >> > >> On Sunday, Nov 24, 2002, at 04:48 US/Pacific, Dick Applebaum wrote: > >>> What do you mean by "design patterns" -- that is a term that I am > >>> unfamiliar with? > >> > >> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=design+patterns > >> > >> The Patterns Home Page (http://hillside.net/patterns) is the first > >> link > >> and has lots of good information. The "Gang of Four" Design Patterns > >> book is also highly recommended: > >> > >> http://www.corfield.org/index.php?fuseaction=bookstore.main > >> > >> Under "Hot" Technical Books. > >> > >> I show how some classic design patterns can be used in ColdFusion > >> here: > >> > >> http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/articles/facades.html > >> > >> Shlomy Gantz is working on a Design Patterns for ColdFusion book. > >> > >>> I have made several attempts to learn Java. > >>> > >>> The biggest deterrent, I have found is the long learning curve. > >> > >> I think the biggest deterrent you're really finding is the OO thought > >> processes. Java has very simple *syntax* but the OO nature can make it > >> hard to learn for folks with only procedural programming as a > >> reference > >> point. > >> > >>> I was amazed, after several hours of this, I had a complete CF > >>> program > >>> (with CF self documentation and Perl comments) that worked. > >> > >> Actually, I'm not amazed - this is one of ColdFusion's biggest selling > >> points: that it is very easy to learn and it's very easy to get your > >> first CF program running. > >> > >>> But, I was able to learn CF, well enough to be comfortable with it, > >>> in > >>> a few days. > >> > >> Yes, and I would expect most of us here would say the same - CF has > >> certainly been the easiest language I've ever learned. > >> > >>> If CF had inline Java code, it would allow someone learning Java to > >>> take a segment of a working CF program and recode that in Java -- > >>> without the need to "learn everything about Java", including its > >>> theory, structure, syntax documentation, etc., "all at once" > >> > >> I don't think that would be a good idea. People would not 'learn Java' > >> that way, merely learn a different syntax for something they were > >> already doing. What's more, they'd have to learn all the complexities > >> of how to access CF variables etc from Java in order to translate just > >> a small part of their code. Have you looked at the Java code that CFMX > >> generates? It's quite complex - because CF is a much higher-level > >> language that does a lot of things for you. > >> > >>> At some point, you would be proficient enough to write entire > >>> programs > >>> (or major portions) as Java servlets, applets, beans JSPs or whatever > >> > >> I very much doubt that. Sorry. The whole structure of J2EE > >> applications > >> is a major learning exercise on its own that has no equivalent in CF > >> that you can 'learn by example' from. > >> > >>> (I don't know what term applies here, and there are so many of them) > >> > >> That's exactly my point: nothing in CF can actually let you learn > >> these > >> things! > >> > >> Sean A Corfield -- Director, Architecture > >> Web Technology Group -- Macromedia, Inc. > >> tel: (415) 252-2287 -- cell: (415) 717-8473 > >> aim: seancorfield -- http://www.macromedia.com > >> An Architect's View -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ > >> > >> Introducing Macromedia Contribute. 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