Right on with you guys about having flash components to replace the java ones. It would make a lot of people really happy (hint, hint, MM).
----- Original Message ----- From: Adrocknaphobia Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 10:08 am Subject: RE: Linking CF and Flash > There once was a product named Generator. It was good. Back before cf5 > came out, there were some rumors that generator was going to be > intergrated. But alas, it never came to reality. > > At this point, I would be really surprised if the next iteration > of cf > didn't have some major flash integration. It just seems to make > logicalsense, plus the value and benefits are clear. > > Only problem is that MM really sucks when it comes to reuseable > components. CFform in cold fusion is a joke to me. I mean, exactly why > do I need 4 pages of javascript to validate my form? Especially > when I > can usually rewrite it in under 10 lines. Same goes for the code > Dreamweaver generates, and the UI components in Flash. The UI > componentsare nice, but not deployable in my standards. Half of > them need some > serious optimaization first. > > I guess what I'm saying is, if MM did integrate more Flash stuff, I > think I would just find myself not using it, in favor of rolling > my own. > Although I'm sure I do not represent the majority. > > Matt is right on about CFTree. Other than file access > restrictions, it > really should be a flash app. I can't afford to support Java applets. > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:43 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Linking CF and Flash > > Jochem brings up a good point in that cfform's validation features > are,IMHO, worthless. Whatever it is that replaces cfform, if > anything,needs significant improvement on that score. > > I think that its time for CF developers to start looking at using > Flashfor components in sites. Due to bandwidth and other > considerationswe're not ready for entirely Flash-driven sites for > the general > marketplace, but in my opinion developers should begin exploring - and > responsibly using - the technology. Macromedia can promote developer > acceptance of Flash in giant steps by integrating Flash components > intoCF. Forget about standards if you like... This is about > money, control > and and mindshare. If Macromedia wants these things, this is the > way to > go. Personally I also think this would be good for the sites we > build. > I've often been a vocal opponent of Flash as a design tool, but it has > its place and - in the U.S. market at least - borders on ubiquity. > I'll > vigorously grant that it was evil in 2000. But I can't justify that > argument as we approach 2003. > > I have one client using Flash for *primary* navigation on five > sites. I > screamed bloody murder about that but was overruled. Six months of > stats show they're doing extremely well, with almost zero > turnaways due > to lack of Flash (and thanks to careful hoarding of bandwidth). > It can > be done so long as you point a gun (figuratively, of course :)) at the > head of the designer. > > About those sites - one thing I absolutely can't stand is that I > have to > go to that designer for menu system changes (read: fixing his > screwups).CF sells in part as a full-featured solution. Give > CF'ers the ability > to use and produce Flash in at least limited ways and you'll grow your > Flash developer base one heck of a lot more quickly. > > Would I use CFTree if it were Flash? Maybe. Depends on whether it > works. I'll never use it as a java applet, as while it and CFGrid > offerwonderful features, experience proves neither can be relied > upon to work > on a given browser at a given desk. Flash can solve that. Improved > appearance options can give it a broader range of uses. Same goes for > everything else, methinks. > > Happy holidays to all, > > --Matt Robertson-- > MSB Designs, Inc. > http://mysecretbase.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Cantrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 9:18 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: Linking CF and Flash > > > I like the idea, too. Anyone want to add anything? How many > people > use the cfform tag now, and how many more people would use it if > it > worked in the manner described below? And how else would you want > it > to behave? > > Would people be more interested in using the cftree tag if it > generated > Flash rather than Java? > > Just trying to gather a sample. > > Christian > > On Monday, December 23, 2002, at 05:29 PM, Matt Robertson wrote: > > > Christian wrote, > >> Do you mean something like using a cfform tag to generate Flash- > based>> forms? > > > > You know, the more I mull this over the more I really like the idea. > > > > Try this on for size: A new suite of form input tags > (cfflashinput?) > > that has the parms it does now. Add to it color and sizing options. > > > Then, if something needs to be compiled from a fla to an swf, > give the > > > limited ability to do this in CF Server. Whatever you do don't > put > > this limited-runtime 'compiler' into Dreamweaver as many don't > use it, > > > and plus, if I'm using something like Terminal Server to do > emergency > > repairs I have to have access to the form generation tools. > > > > CF would store the swf's in a specified folder on the site's web > path > > so we don't get into the mapping issues that dog so many cfgrid > users; > > especially on shared servers. > > > > Obviously this isn't something that would happen tomorrow. Just > a > > thought... > > > > --Matt Robertson-- > > MSB Designs, Inc. > > http://mysecretbase.com > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. 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