Personally, I don't think any of us would know what to do if someone
made a 100% standards-compliant browser ... We've been so used to
hacking around this or that or working around some limitation that we'd
probably all spontaneously combust.

What's the point of this massive standards effort if companies don't
build to the specs? If sovereign nations can impose rules like "No
nuclear weapons or we'll bomb you" then it doesn't seem a far stretch to
imagine a union of companies that actually ENFORCES some level of
standards-compliance.

Honestly, if no one goes by the rules, should we really call them
"standards"?

Joshua Miller
Head Programmer / IT Manager
Garrison Enterprises Inc.
www.garrisonenterprises.net
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-----Original Message-----
From: Fregas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 11:32 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: New Mac Browser


Actually they did create a "PowerPoint" type slide show app.  So it
seems maybe that is the direction they're going.  First a browser, then
a presentation app, all they need is a good spreadsheet and word
processor.

Personally, I'll root for anything that gives MS competition, even
though I love IE and .NET.  But I agree with the consensus here: Mac
better get with the standards program when the app goes from beta to
final or this developer will be giving their browser the finger.

Fregas

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrocknaphobia Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 9:55 AM
Subject: RE: New Mac Browser


> Not to veer off a standards debate, but why do you think Apple is 
> getting into the browser wars? I'm mostly surprised as it looks to be 
> more trouble that it's worth for Apple.
>
> If all they want is MS independence, then they should be working on an

> office competitor.
>
> Adam Wayne Lehman
> Web Systems Developer
> Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
> Distance Education Division
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 8:33 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: New Mac Browser
>
> Dick Applebaum wrote:
> >
> > Do you know of any browsers on any platform that conform to all the 
> > standards?
>
> Scroll up in this thread and read my first response.
>
> The point is not that support for HTML/CSS/DOM in Safari is better or 
> worse as in the offerings of the competition. I don't know if it is 
> (but
>
> I would like to know).
> The point is that I find it bizarre that the official test suite does 
> not render due to a minor bug. To me, that means they didn't use the 
> official test suite, which makes me worry about how committed they
> *really* are to producing a standards compliant browser. Because at 
> the same time some salesdroid has put the following text online: "Rest

> assured, Safari renders Web pages properly according to the latest 
> Internet standards."
>
> Jochem
>
>
> 

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