.NET is cool; I just wish I had the time or use to get into it! -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 16 January 2003 14:47 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: What's wrong with ASP.NET
Not that I'm one to side with Microsoft... but... The .NET Framework is a "Recommended Update"... NOT a "Critical Update". It has been my experience that you should always pay attention to what you're installing. Critical updates are pretty straight forward... I usually don't even review them. Recommended updates on the other hand NEED to be reviewed. They've got Euro currency conversion, Journal Reader, etc, etc in there... most of which you don't need or don't want. Perhaps Microsoft should have all of their recommended updates "off" by default... but then other people would complain. ;-) I myself have installed the .NET framework, Euro converter, Journal reader, etc while not paying attention... it has been my experience that it doesn't hurt anything. Still, I try to pay attention as to what I'm updating on my production machines and only install what's absolutely needed. -Novak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Brunt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:53 PM Subject: RE: What's wrong with ASP.NET > The bottom line here is that this is not really acceptable. If Microsoft > offers an auto-update facility they should not abuse that by inserting or > installing items in existing codebases without some OVERT* warning of such. > This has little to do with being foolish, in my book if this happened it is > downright wrong. And I do mean *OVERT. > > Kind Regards - Mike Brunt > Webapper Services LLC > Web Site http://www.webapper.com > Blog http://www.webapper.net > > Webapper <Web Application Specialists> > > -----Original Message----- > From: samcfug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:27 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: What's wrong with ASP.NET > > You are correct there, I did not think that very many were foolish enough to > let > MS do things automatically <grin> > > > > ===================================== > Douglas White > group Manager > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.samcfug.org > ===================================== > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:06 PM > Subject: RE: What's wrong with ASP.NET > > > | It will install if you do the auto update feature and just let it install > | without checking it. > | > | Seen it happen many times. > | > | Clint > | > | -----Original Message----- > | From: samcfug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > | Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:46 PM > | To: CF-Talk > | Subject: Re: What's wrong with ASP.NET > | > | > | >NET framework does not install automatically, you have to select it. > Also > | .NET > | framework can be uninstalled as well. but it does not interfere with > | non-.NET > | apps , at least not on my servers. Win2k, SP3, IIS 5.0 CF 5.0 > | > | ===================================== > | Douglas White > | group Manager > | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | http://www.samcfug.org > | ===================================== > | ----- Original Message ----- > | From: "Clint Tredway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:23 PM > | Subject: RE: What's wrong with ASP.NET > | > | > | | If you installed the latest service pack, the .Net framework has been > | | installed. Nothing is going to happen on your server just because the > | | framework is installed. > | | > | | The aspent_client gets installed in the webroot when the framework gets > | | installed. This is just how the framework works. > | | > | | HTH, > | | Clint > | | > | | -----Original Message----- > | | From: samcfug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > | | Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:04 PM > | | To: CF-Talk > | | Subject: Re: What's wrong with ASP.NET > | | > | | > | | Hopefully you do not have Active Server Pages installed. I will imagine > | | that is > | | the culprit as opposed to having the .NET framework > | | > | | > | | > | | ===================================== > | | Douglas White > | | group Manager > | | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > | | http://www.samcfug.org > | | ===================================== > | | ----- Original Message ----- > | | From: "S. Isaac Dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | | To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | | Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 9:11 PM > | | Subject: What's wrong with ASP.NET > | | > | | > | | | I'm not sure how many other folks here this bothers, but I thought I > | might > | | | mention it. > | | | > | | | I don't know when or how or why this has happened, but here's the > story. > | | | > | | | I'm usint WinNT 2000 Server, IIS 5 and have CF 5 and CFMX installed on > | | this > | | | machine. I do a lot of development on this machine, and by and large, > I > | | | expect the applications I develop to behave in predictable ways. > | | | > | | | ASP.NET has in some viral way changed that order of things. > | | | > | | | I've noticed in my registry that there are now a number of references > to > | | | ASP.NET and aspnet_* directories. > | | | > | | | I've never knowingly installed anything related to ASP.NET on this > | | machine. > | | | I'm not saying that I wouldn't have, I just haven't. They could have > | | gotten > | | | in piggy-backed on a Windows update, sure. > | | | > | | | But here's the really big / stupid part of this ordeal. > | | | > | | | In one particular application which I use to manage my website at > | | | http://www.turnkey.to ( in addition to managing the documentation for > | the > | | | application ), Microsoft has for some reason known only to them > decided > | | that > | | | this application should have some ASP.NET features. It added the > | | directory: > | | | > | | | c:\inetpub\wwwroot\new epoch\tapestry43e\aspnet_client > | | | > | | | which appears to contain only 2 subdirectories and three small > | javascript > | | | libraries: > | | | > | | | system_web\1_0_3705_288\SmartNav.js > | | | system_web\1_0_3705_288\SmartNavIE5.js > | | | system_web\1_0_3705_288\WebUIValidation.js > | | | > | | | These are not now nor have the ever been components of my application. > | | They > | | | serve no purpose here that I know of. So why would M$ arbitrarily > decide > | | | that this was needed here? I deleted them once already and they grew > | back, > | | | so I know they're being automatically generated by someone else's crap > | | | software. > | | | > | | | I've never really trusted Microsoft anyway, but it reminds me to > never, > | | | EVER, use my computers to store sensitive personal information, for > any > | | | reason or under ANY circumstances. Microsoft / Yahoo Wallet, yea, > right, > | | | that'll happen. This time it was javascript libraries -- what will it > be > | | | next time? How much of my work will it destroy? How much of my life > will > | | it > | | | invade? > | | | > | | | Thank you Micro$PAM > | | | > | | | s. isaac dealey 954-776-0046 > | | | > | | | new epoch http://www.turnkey.to > | | | > | | | lead architect, tapestry cms http://products.turnkey.to > | | | > | | | tapestry api is opensource http://www.turnkey.to/tapi > | | | > | | | certified advanced coldfusion 5 developer > | | | http://www.macromedia.com/v1/handlers/index.cfm?ID=21816 > | | | > | | | > | | > | | > | > | > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
