no problem - and yes it is quite frustrating -

you mention below about "the flash" that appears when page loads - In 
different cases I have hidden ugly with layers - since that won't work 
in flashes case -  a  possibility is loadMovieNum -

Create an empty shell - with a pretty background or graphic or block of 
color - place a wait here type timer script - or a loading pseudo 
animation - You can time it fairly accurate to delay - and when the rest 
of the page is loaded - simply load in a new .swf - no one will know - 
it will chop off most likely serious k at load time - and it will help 
you control the look a bit.

not sure if that is relevant - but when you mentioned that flash -that's 
what I thought of
good luck
jay miller

Ben Doom wrote:

>: No - flash always takes the top layer -  what wmode="Transparent" does
>: is drops the background color of the flash movie so it is transparent.
>
>Wierd.  Seems, um, fairly useless.
>
>: The ONLY physical way you can get flash to appear below something is ...
>: find another way.
>
>Yeah.  Looks like now we'll use 2 iframes, one on top of the other, and
>hide/reveal the one on top to make it "pop in and out."
>
>: You can get creative wtih layers and CSS and JS with positioning and
>: move the flash movie on and off the stage - but you can't  have things
>: appear above flash in both browsers.
>:
>: As for the scenario you are talking about -YOU can take a snap shot of
>: the Flash movie - embed that behind the iframe or layer - when the
>: iframe or layer is supposed to pop up - set teh flash movie's position
>: off stage - replace it with teh "snap" shot of the flash movie and it
>: will appear as if you have done it.
>:
>: then when iframe or layer disappears - you reset the falsh movie back to
>: it's original position.
>:
>: hope that helps
>
>It didn't really help per se, but it gave me more info than I had before.
>And it will give me cogent arguments for the client.
>
>I'm working with developers who don't like the 'flash' they get when pages
>get loaded.  God help me, art people make my head hurt.
>
>In any case, thanks for the assist.
>
>--Ben
>
>
>
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