HTML hardly has any controls, compared to c/s environments such as VC++, VB, or Java.

----- Original Message -----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Wheatley)
Date: Friday, March 7, 2003 9:26 am
Subject: Re: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website

> I was reading Dave Watts post about HTML sucking earlier and i am 
> reallycurious dave why do you think it sucks. Sure it has a few 
> weak points but
> all the nice pretty flash is just pretty and its
> really a pain in the ass how they implemented it on macromedia. I 
> use the
> site everyday i dont need pretty i need it to work and html does that
> nicely. Of course html is annoying because its stateless yadda yadda.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Moretti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
> 
> 
> Thought this link might be of interest to you all.
> 
> http://www.markme.com/mesh/archives/001871.cfm
> 
> Its an article on Mike Chamber's blog, by Tony Lopez, Executive 
> Producer of
> Macromedia.
> 
> Please note the links to the survey and feedback pages at the 
> bottom of the
> article. These are the appropriate places to make a response.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Stephen
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Willy Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:14 PM
> Subject: Day 3 Opera works! Re: The New Macromedia Website
> 
> 
> > Except for the Download page that tells Opera users to "Please 
> Use a
> > Supported Browser".  Baby steps, I guess.  Hopefully they'll get 
> that> working at some point soon.
> >
> > The home page is working great.  So, as a developer who's doing some
> > remoting, some RIAs (regardless of how *that* thread pans out), I'm
> > intensly curious:  What *exactly* was the problem, and will it 
> effect> me, as I build RIAs?
> >
> > Willy
> >
> >
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/07/03 05:18AM >>>
> > Ahh good I am quite happy now that it was finally fixed so I can see
> > the
> > site.
> > That song on the front page is nice for all of 2 seconds and 
> then it
> > burns
> > into your skull lol.
> >
> > But looks like its not quite as laggy as it was in ie other 2 days.
> >
> > Kudos MM for at least letting those people who like a good 
> browser :)
> > (Opera) to use your site.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sean A Corfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: The New Macromedia Website
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, Mar 6, 2003, at 14:08 US/Pacific, Adrocknaphobia Jones
> > wrote:
> > > For the last few years I've been telling upper management that 
> I can
> > > cut
> > > costs, raise quality, and employ less developers. Cold Fusion 
> is the
> > > solution for us. Am I supposed to go to them and say, I need 3 
> times> > the
> > > budget per project and quadruple my department size
> >
> > I'm not sure why you think you need to do this? No one is 
> forcing you
> > to abandon CF nor forcing you to use Flash - you can continue to 
> sell> your "CF is cheap" position and continue building great sites,
> > quickly.
> > CF is great for that.
> >
> > > But last month I
> > > noticed a large part of this community actively learning .NET.
> >
> > I'd hope large parts of this community would be constantly learning
> > about technology. That's what makes everyone a better programmer.
> > That's why people take courses, for example.
> >
> > > My underlying issue is that Macromedia is very fickle. I can't 
> tell> you
> > > where they are going to be in a year. Which mean I don't know 
> where> I,
> > > a
> > > MM developer will be in a year either.
> >
> > Well, I don't think anyone can realistically argue the new site 
> hasn't> been fully sign-posted. Anyone who is surprised by our RIA 
> deployment> has, frankly, been living under a stone :)
> >
> > And it is purely evolution. It's CF on the back end, several of the
> > apps are pure CF. Nothing shocking there. We have just four RIAs on
> > the
> > new site - there are five pure CF applications. People have been 
> using> Flash UIs on CF apps for quite some time, certainly prior 
> to the MX
> > launches.
> >
> > Macromedia has been roundly criticized for not using our own
> > technology
> > and for being a few releases behind the leading edge. Now we're 
> up to
> > date. You can't really criticize us for pushing the envelope...
> >
> > Sean A Corfield -- Director, Architecture
> > Web Technology Group -- Macromedia, Inc.
> > tel: (415) 252-2287 -- cell: (415) 717-8473
> > aim/iChat: seancorfield -- http://www.macromedia.com
> > An Architect's View -- http://www.macromedia.com/go/arch_blog
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
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