I'm with you Jaye.....2 days of messing with Flash MX and remoting and I was hooked. There are certainly some IDE issues etc. to be worked out (as with anything new), but the possibilities are amazing.
I guess you and I will be ahead of the curve when RIAs hit the mainstream ;-) Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------- Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com --------------------------------------------------------- Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder & Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaye Morris - jayeZERO.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 2:11 PM Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) > 1. You can make a call from flash to a cfc, accessing the cf_file > function and upload a file that way. FlashMX and CFMX are built for > intergraction. Additionally you can do some very cool server side > scripting. > > 2. What about the concept of the web on your desktop, everywhere you > are. In additionl, look at what intel just released in their NEW chip. > Not only low battery usage, mega horsepower but built in wireless > 802.11b connectivity. Flash is JAVA realized. Write your application > once and not only have it to the web, but interactive cd-rom, pda's and > other appliances. > > 3. It seems easy for you (and others) to unendingly bash Flash. It is > really a beautiful thing. Perhaps instead of downing it all the time, > ask why and how. You appear in a specific paradigmn, looking only in > one direction. I am a CF developer but also Multimedia. I am looking > in all directions. CF, .NET, Flash, Remoting, Javascript, CSS, HTML, > etc... > > Is the glass 1/2 empty or 1/2 full. > > I don't dislike you or anybody else, but I do find some of the postions > being taken to be illogical or uninformed. It's too easy to dump on > FlashMX and not fully understand how to bring the resources together and > create great applications. That why people come to us and not the 12 yo > kid. We are professionals. The non-professional see's only problems. > The professional only see's solutions. That's why my clients pay me > what they pay me. > > -//- Jaye > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 4:36 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) > > Jaye do you have the "I'm smarter than you, so you are wrong" argument > ready for cut and paste? > > Seriously Zero, what did I say that was so idiotic? Could you explain to > me why it's so idiotic so that I could possibly learn something? You > can't blame me for being stupid, if you aren't willing to enlighten me. > > Yes you can manipulate files in conjunction with CFMX, but as I said, > Flash won't replace your traditional desktop app, because it currently > needs the server for its power. Hence, it isn't a desktop application. > > Out side of claiming you are smarter than I, what is your point? > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jaye Morris - jayeZERO.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:50 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) > > I normally try to contain myself, but sometimes people can say really > idiotic things. > > On moving data and files etc... there are ways to get it done in > conjunction with cfmx, but you appear to be a one dimensional thinker. > You are out of your depth. > > As for your theory for the 30 second download, ask that of Joshua Davis > and his dreamless.org. > > You can try to resist the future if you will, but the reality is that > it's coming right for you. Deal with it and as we say in our office, > get over yourself. > > -//- jaye morris > > > > > > I've stopped 19,329 spam messages. You can too! > Get your free, safe spam protection at > http://www.cloudmark.com/spamnetsig/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:33 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) > > Yeah. I gotta disagree on the flash replacing traditional desktop apps. > Big draw back of flash is the lacking ability of local file > manipulation. Hence there is no way to upload a file via flash. So even > in the most advanced RIA, if any client files are needed, you have to go > back to HTML. > > It would be really nice to have one single language that could be used > for everything from desktop apps to server side scripting. It was the > goal of Java, but I think it will be accomplished by MS and their CRL > approach. Flash isn't even in the realm of comparison imho. > > As for long load times, are we just going to disregard the studies > proving that if I site doest load fast, people don't view it? I agree > it's impatient and hard to believe people won't wait 30 seconds, but > it's unfortunately true. By the way, if MMs site used to take 30s to > load on my universities connection, I'd hate to see how long it took on > 56k. > > Thankfully MM recognized the feedback (bitching) from our community and > removed half the flash content from the site. Now it's a much more > reasonable speed. If they want to move it back to a complete flash > solution it's probably best to do it slowly over the course of a few > years, not immediately just because they can. > > On the contrary, we need to be as critical as possible. Unlike HTML and > other controlling technologies on the web, this one is under the sole > control of one company. Not the WC3. Outside of Lingo, Macromedia didn't > touch any sort of programming until about 2-3 years ago with > actionScript, and they bought their server side languages. So I think > it's very important and rightly so to be critical as they have never > done anything like this in the past. Luckily they do seem to listen to > developers, cause after all it comes down to us, whether a technology > will be a success. As long as Macromedia forges new territory, expect to > hear me bitching about it deficiencies. You can't expect us all to just > have blind faith. > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joshua Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 1:55 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) > > This is a snippet of a response to the ZDNet article about > Macromedia.com, I thought I'd pass it along here as well ... > > <RANT> > > ... with RIA applications you will inherently have a longer load time > because you're loading the entire application at once. With traditional > web applications you get page-by-page loads which is faster initially, > but overall I would imagine you sit and wait longer for traditional HTML > pages when all is said and done. > > Think about it - 35 seconds to load an HTML page is slow, but to load 50 > HTML pages it's pretty fast. That's what RIAs give you, the equivalent > of an entire application in one page load. Most users don't complain > about Microsoft Outlook taking 30 seconds to load, it's total lack of > accessibility features and it's generally sluggish behavior when doing > searches, etc. but when a web application doesn't load in 6 seconds and > the link to the second version of the site in HTML doesn't leap out and > grab your attention then everyone is up in arms. We're all accustomed to > looking at application splash screens while waiting for desktop > applications to load, why is it so outrageous for a web application to > do the same? > > You have to realize, what Macromedia is doing is laying the groundwork > for a whole new way to create applications, you can't expect that type > of technology to be 100% from day 1. Eventually web applications will > behave almost identically to desktop applications and in most cases will > even replace them. I would hate to think that the future of software > would be based on HTML. Flash, server-side processing and RIAs are the > future of not only the web, but software as we know it. We need to be > helpful and supportive of this process instead of being so critical. > > With support and positive feedback this process can mature and grow, > Macromedia took their feedback and improved their product, that speaks > volumes about their commitment to the future and to their developers. > > </RANT> > > Joshua Miller > Head Programmer / IT Manager > Garrison Enterprises Inc. > www.garrisonenterprises.net > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (704) 569-9044 ext. 254 > > ************************************************************************ > ************* > Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, > except where the sender states them to be the views of > Garrison Enterprises Inc. > > This e-mail is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is > addressed and contains information that is private and confidential. If > you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any > dissemination, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If you > have received this e-mail in error please delete it immediately and > advise us by return e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ************************************************************************ > ************* > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrocknaphobia Jones [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 11:38 AM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) > > > Ouch. ZDNet wasn't to kind about macromedia.com. > http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2131698,00.html > > Again, the new version is much better and I hope ZDNet writes a > follow-up article on how Macromedia has graciously responded to all the > criticism. > > But I do with Macromedia would stop touting this argument: "When you > move from an HTML world into a much richer desktop-oriented world, > that's a big change, and people just have difficulty with change," he > said. "Any time you change a Web site, there's an initial week or so > where people don't feel comfortable yet and you hear a lot of feedback." > > It's bullshit. If there is one thing that can be said about web > developers, is that we are accustomed to change. From the tools we use > to the technology, everything changes constantly. We're just critical of > the wrong types of change, not change itself. > > Adam Wayne Lehman > Web Systems Developer > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health > Distance Education Division > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pablo Varando [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:53 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Macromedia.Com (The new site?) > > Well, Macromedia has changed the site with the feedback they received > from the community. http://www.macromedia.com > > Like it better? Worse? > > They also released a report about what they learned (good and bad) from > the first week of the new site. > http://www.macromedia.com/special/progress_report/ > (This is really interesting... you should read it..) > > Pablo > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
