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Well, I wasn't suggesting that....though it might be cool ;-)
I just meant they may (or should) put fake data in the message elsewhere.
Not the specific message 'Syntax Error on line: XXXX'....but maybe switch
out the path and some other info. Maybe even server specific data.
I know its far fetched.....but you can't assume everything is true.
They may be running their site on CF Linux! Yeah right.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Creedon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:55 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: You know what would be really cool?
I see! What a great idea. All of the tech staff and admins would have
their Allaire Secret Decoder Rings(tm), available in Personal or
Enterprise versions. Error says ODBC error? A quick flick of the dial and
it's actually a syntax error! Zounds! a misplaced > sign.
The future is so bright, I need shades!
Greg Creedon
On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Bryan Batchelder wrote:
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> Or they have deliberately misinformed you in the error message :-) Not
that
> the error is deliberate...but the information it is giving you could be
> deliberately wrong.
>
> I have done this in past systems I have worked on.....and set up most of
my
> UNIX boxes to give wrong profiling information (including information in
> errors).
>
> Just a thought. Its fun watching people try linux exploits on a solaris
> box...or vice versa - or making a linux box look like an NT box.
>
> --------------------------------------------
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> Palm/Internet Developer Home: 727-547-1322
> --------------------------------------------
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> 2803 West Busch Blvd, Suite 204
> Tampa, FL 33618
> --------------------------------------------
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Bernard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:03 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: You know what would be really cool?
>
>
> It is truly a sad state of affairs isn't it? This sort of thing has been
> happening on a regular basis since Allaire first started hosting a
website.
> All three of their main components, Corporate, Forums, and Beta sites,
have
> gone down or produced errors that really make them look bad. The two
general
> types that I have seen the most, and that speak volumes about their
> infrastructure/administration in my opinion, are related to
performance/load
> and database management. Ironically enough, these are two of tenants of
the
> Allaire Performance Tuning class, optimizing your code and your database.
> Another problem that this exposes is Allaire's attention to detail and
> security. You can learn a lot about a system by getting such error
messages.
> It may seem innocent enough but from this error message you know:
>
> 1) Using IIS
> 2) .. therefore, using NT
> 3) Web root is on D:, seperate from the system root
> 4) Exact path to the customtags directory
> 5) Template name
> 6) Exact line of offending code
> 7) 'CustomTagsV65' may indicate that they have multiple versions in one
> tree. This may provide further opportunity
> if the system is breached.
> 8) Allaire doesn't monitor it's servers effectively
> 9) Allaire doesn't seem to take it's web presence seriously enough even
> though the product it sells is made for
> developing high-end, robust, data-driven, web sites (enought buzz words
> there?).
>
> All this provides is information, not vulnerabilities, but, it is a
definite
> start in profiling the system, and all without having to send a single
> suspicious packet their way. Anyone who has spent time profiling systems
> will understand this. So if Allaire is this shoddy in
protecting/maintaining
> their corporate site what's going on with the areas of the site that
manage
> customer information?
>
> Steve
>
> p.s. I don't have anything against Allaire, I'm just calling it like I see
> it.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Sean Renet [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >
> > I think it would be really cool if you went to Allaire's website,
searched
> > for something and didn't get this:
> >
> > Error Diagnostic Information
> > Error occurred in tag CFSEARCH
> >
> > Collection failed to open: AllaireWeb6SiteSearch
> >
> >
> > The error occurred while processing an element with a general
> > identifier of (CFSEARCH), occupying document position (28:1) to (31:57)
in
> > the template file
> > D:\WWWROOT\ALLAIREWEB65\CUSTOMTAGSV65\ALLAIREWEB\SITESEARCH\SITESE
> > ARCH.CFM.
> >
> >
> > Date/Time: 07/11/00 22:55:58
> > Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)
> > Remote Address: 63.203.119.82
> > HTTP Referer: http://www.allaire.com/search/index.cfm
> >
> >
> >
> > How do these guys expect to have people buy into this language when
thier
> > own site is constantly breaking?
>
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> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Or they have deliberately misinformed you in the =
> error message :-) Not that the error is deliberate...but the =
> information it is giving you could be deliberately wrong.</FONT></P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have done this in past systems I have worked =
> on.....and set up most of my UNIX boxes to give wrong profiling =
> information (including information in errors).</FONT></P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Just a thought. Its fun watching people try =
> linux exploits on a solaris box...or vice versa - or making a linux box =
> look like an NT box.</FONT></P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--------------------------------------------</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bryan D. =
> Batchelder Work: =
> 813-935-7100</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Palm/Internet Developer Home: =
> 727-547-1322</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>--------------------------------------------</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ConnectWise, Inc. (www.ConnectWise.com)</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>2803 West Busch Blvd, Suite 204</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Tampa, FL 33618</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>--------------------------------------------</FONT>
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>
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Steve Bernard [<A =
> HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>]</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:03 AM</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: You know what would be really =
> cool?</FONT>
> </P>
> <BR>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It is truly a sad state of affairs isn't it? This =
> sort of thing has been</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>happening on a regular basis since Allaire first =
> started hosting a website.</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>All three of their main components, Corporate, =
> Forums, and Beta sites, have</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>gone down or produced errors that really make them =
> look bad. The two general</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>types that I have seen the most, and that speak =
> volumes about their</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>infrastructure/administration in my opinion, are =
> related to performance/load</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>and database management. Ironically enough, these =
> are two of tenants of the</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Allaire Performance Tuning class, optimizing your =
> code and your database.</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Another problem that this exposes is Allaire's =
> attention to detail and</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>security. You can learn a lot about a system by =
> getting such error messages.</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>It may seem innocent enough but from this error =
> message you know:</FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>1) Using IIS</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>2) .. therefore, using NT</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>3) Web root is on D:, seperate from the system =
> root</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>4) Exact path to the customtags directory</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>5) Template name</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>6) Exact line of offending code</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>7) 'CustomTagsV65' may indicate that they have =
> multiple versions in one</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>tree. This may provide further opportunity</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> if the system is breached.</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>8) Allaire doesn't monitor it's servers =
> effectively</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>9) Allaire doesn't seem to take it's web presence =
> seriously enough even</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>though the product it sells is made for</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> developing high-end, robust, =
> data-driven, web sites (enought buzz words</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>there?).</FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>All this provides is information, not =
> vulnerabilities, but, it is a definite</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>start in profiling the system, and all without =
> having to send a single</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>suspicious packet their way. Anyone who has spent =
> time profiling systems</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>will understand this. So if Allaire is this shoddy =
> in protecting/maintaining</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>their corporate site what's going on with the areas =
> of the site that manage</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>customer information?</FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Steve</FONT>
> </P>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>p.s. I don't have anything against Allaire, I'm just =
> calling it like I see</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>it.</FONT>
> </P>
> <BR>
>
> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Sean Renet [<A =
> HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:sean@broadcastdynamics=
> .com</A>]</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I think it would be really cool if you went to =
> Allaire's website, searched</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> for something and didn't get this:</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Error =
> Diagnostic Information</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Error =
> occurred in tag CFSEARCH</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Collection =
> failed to open: AllaireWeb6SiteSearch</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> The error =
> occurred while processing an element with a general</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> identifier of (CFSEARCH), occupying document =
> position (28:1) to (31:57) in</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> the template file</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> =
> D:\WWWROOT\ALLAIREWEB65\CUSTOMTAGSV65\ALLAIREWEB\SITESEARCH\SITESE</FONT=
> >
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ARCH.CFM.</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Date/Time: =
> 07/11/00 22:55:58</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Browser: =
> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT 5.0)</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Remote =
> Address: 63.203.119.82</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> HTTP =
> Referer: <A HREF=3D"http://www.allaire.com/search/index.cfm" =
> TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.allaire.com/search/index.cfm</A></FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>></FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> How do these guys expect to have people buy =
> into this language when thier</FONT>
> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> own site is constantly breaking?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Well, I wasn't suggesting that....though it might be =
cool ;-)</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I just meant they may (or should) put fake data in =
the message elsewhere. Not the specific message 'Syntax Error on =
line: XXXX'....but maybe switch out the path and some other info. =
Maybe even server specific data.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I know its far fetched.....but you can't assume =
everything is true.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>They may be running their site on CF Linux! =
Yeah right.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--b</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--------------------------------------------</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Bryan D. =
Batchelder Work: =
813-935-7100</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Palm/Internet Developer Home: =
727-547-1322</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>--------------------------------------------</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>ConnectWise, Inc. (www.ConnectWise.com)</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>--------------------------------------------</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Greg Creedon [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:55 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: You know what would be really =
cool?</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I see! What a great idea. All of the tech staff and =
admins would have</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>their Allaire Secret Decoder Rings(tm), available in =
Personal or</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Enterprise versions. Error says ODBC error? A quick =
flick of the dial and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>it's actually a syntax error! Zounds! a misplaced =
> sign.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The future is so bright, I need shades!</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Greg Creedon</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>On Wed, 12 Jul 2000, Bryan Batchelder wrote:</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> This message is in MIME format. Since your mail =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Or they have deliberately misinformed you in =
the error message :-) Not that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> the error is deliberate...but the information =
it is giving you could be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> deliberately wrong.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I have done this in past systems I have worked =
on.....and set up most of my</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> UNIX boxes to give wrong profiling information =
(including information in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> errors).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Just a thought. Its fun watching people =
try linux exploits on a solaris</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> box...or vice versa - or making a linux box =
look like an NT box.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> =
--------------------------------------------</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Bryan D. =
Batchelder Work: =
813-935-7100</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Palm/Internet Developer Home: =
727-547-1322</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> --------------------------------------------</FO=
NT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ConnectWise, Inc. (www.ConnectWise.com)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 2803 West Busch Blvd, Suite 204</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Tampa, FL 33618</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> =
--------------------------------------------</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Steve Bernard [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:03 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: RE: You know what would be really =
cool?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> It is truly a sad state of affairs isn't it? =
This sort of thing has been</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> happening on a regular basis since Allaire =
first started hosting a website.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> All three of their main components, Corporate, =
Forums, and Beta sites, have</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> gone down or produced errors that really make =
them look bad. The two general</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> types that I have seen the most, and that speak =
volumes about their</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> infrastructure/administration in my opinion, =
are related to performance/load</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> and database management. Ironically enough, =
these are two of tenants of the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Allaire Performance Tuning class, optimizing =
your code and your database.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Another problem that this exposes is Allaire's =
attention to detail and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> security. You can learn a lot about a system by =
getting such error messages.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> It may seem innocent enough but from this error =
message you know:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 1) Using IIS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 2) .. therefore, using NT</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 3) Web root is on D:, seperate from the system =
root</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 4) Exact path to the customtags =
directory</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 5) Template name</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 6) Exact line of offending code</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 7) 'CustomTagsV65' may indicate that they have =
multiple versions in one</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> tree. This may provide further =
opportunity</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> if the system is =
breached.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 8) Allaire doesn't monitor it's servers =
effectively</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 9) Allaire doesn't seem to take it's web =
presence seriously enough even</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> though the product it sells is made for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> developing high-end, robust, =
data-driven, web sites (enought buzz words</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> there?).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> All this provides is information, not =
vulnerabilities, but, it is a definite</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> start in profiling the system, and all without =
having to send a single</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> suspicious packet their way. Anyone who has =
spent time profiling systems</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> will understand this. So if Allaire is this =
shoddy in protecting/maintaining</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> their corporate site what's going on with the =
areas of the site that manage</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> customer information?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Steve</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> p.s. I don't have anything against Allaire, I'm =
just calling it like I see</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> it.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > From: Sean Renet [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:sean@broadcastdynamics=
.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > I think it would be really cool if you =
went to Allaire's website, searched</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > for something and didn't get this:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Error =
Diagnostic Information</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > Error =
occurred in tag CFSEARCH</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > =
Collection failed to open: AllaireWeb6SiteSearch</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > The =
error occurred while processing an element with a general</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > identifier of (CFSEARCH), occupying =
document position (28:1) to (31:57) in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > the template file</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <TITLE>RE: You know what would be really =
cool?</TITLE></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </HEAD></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BODY></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>Or they have =
deliberately misinformed you in the =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> error message :-)&nbsp; Not that the error =
is deliberate...but the =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> information it is giving you could be =
deliberately wrong.</FONT></P></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>I have done =
this in past systems I have worked =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> on.....and set up most of my UNIX boxes to give =
wrong profiling =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> information (including information in =
errors).</FONT></P></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>Just a =
thought.&nbsp; Its fun watching people try =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> linux exploits on a solaris box...or vice versa =
- or making a linux box =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> look like an NT =
box.</FONT></P></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>--------------------------------------------</FONT><=
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>Bryan D. =
=3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> =
Batchelder&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Work: =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 813-935-7100</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>Palm/Internet =
Developer&nbsp;&nbsp; Home: =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 727-547-1322</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>--------------------------------------------</FONT><=
/FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>ConnectWise, =
Inc. (www.ConnectWise.com)</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>2803 West =
Busch Blvd, Suite 204</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>Tampa, FL =
33618</FONT></FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>-----Original =
Message-----</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>From: Steve =
Bernard [<A =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> HREF=3D3D"<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>"><A=
=
HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A></A>]&=
lt;/FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>Sent: =
Wednesday, July 12, 2000 11:03 AM</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>To: =
[EMAIL PROTECTED]</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>Subject: RE: =
You know what would be really =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> cool?</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>It is truly a =
sad state of affairs isn't it? This =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> sort of thing has been</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>happening on a =
regular basis since Allaire first =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> started hosting a website.</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>All three of =
their main components, Corporate, =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Forums, and Beta sites, =
have</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>gone down or =
produced errors that really make them =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> look bad. The two general</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>types that I =
have seen the most, and that speak =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> volumes about their</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>infrastructure/administration in my opinion, are =
=3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> related to performance/load</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>and database =
management. Ironically enough, these =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> are two of tenants of the</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>Allaire =
Performance Tuning class, optimizing your =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> code and your database.</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>Another =
problem that this exposes is Allaire's =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> attention to detail and</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>security. You =
can learn a lot about a system by =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> getting such error =
messages.</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>It may seem =
innocent enough but from this error =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> message you know:</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>1) Using =
IIS</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>2) .. =
therefore, using NT</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>3) Web root is =
on D:, seperate from the system =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> root</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>4) Exact path =
to the customtags directory</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>5) Template =
name</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>6) Exact line =
of offending code</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>7) =
'CustomTagsV65' may indicate that they have =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> multiple versions in one</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>tree. This may =
provide further opportunity</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; if the system is =
breached.</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>8) Allaire =
doesn't monitor it's servers =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> effectively</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>9) Allaire =
doesn't seem to take it's web presence =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> seriously enough even</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>though the =
product it sells is made for</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; developing high-end, robust, =
=3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> data-driven, web sites (enought buzz =
words</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>there?).</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>All this =
provides is information, not =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> vulnerabilities, but, it is a =
definite</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>start in =
profiling the system, and all without =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> having to send a single</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>suspicious =
packet their way. Anyone who has spent =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> time profiling systems</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>will =
understand this. So if Allaire is this shoddy =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> in protecting/maintaining</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>their =
corporate site what's going on with the areas =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> of the site that manage</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>customer =
information?</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>Steve</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>p.s. I don't =
have anything against Allaire, I'm just =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> calling it like I see</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>it.</FONT>=
;</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <P><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>&gt; =
-----Original Message-----</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>&gt; From: =
Sean Renet [<A =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> HREF=3D3D"<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:sean@broadcastdynamics=
.com</A>"><A =
HREF=3D"mailto:sean@broadcastdynamics=3D">mailto:sean@broadcastdynamics=3D=
</A></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> .com</A>]</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>&gt; I =
think it would be really cool if you went to =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Allaire's website, searched</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>&gt; for =
something and didn't get this:</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; Error =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Diagnostic Information</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; Error =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> occurred in tag CFSEARCH</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; Collection =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> failed to open: =
AllaireWeb6SiteSearch</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; The error =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> occurred while processing an element with a =
general</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>&gt; =
identifier of (CFSEARCH), occupying document =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> position (28:1) to (31:57) =
in</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>&gt; the =
template file</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>&gt; =
=3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> =
D:\WWWROOT\ALLAIREWEB65\CUSTOMTAGSV65\ALLAIREWEB\SITESEARCH\SITESE</F=
ONT=3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>&gt; =
ARCH.CFM.</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; Date/Time: =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> 07/11/00 22:55:58</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; Browser: =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.01; Windows NT =
5.0)</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; Remote =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Address: 63.203.119.82</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp; HTTP =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Referer: <A HREF=3D3D"<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.allaire.com/search/index.cfm" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.allaire.com/search/index.cfm</A>" =
=3D</FONT>
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lt;/FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT =
SIZE=3D3D2>&gt;</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>&gt; How =
do these guys expect to have people buy =3D</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> into this language when =
thier</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>&gt; own =
site is constantly breaking?</FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </P></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT>
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