You tell 'em, Mike. You are getting some really stupid suggestions to your real problem. I definitely do not agree with the opinion that has been advanced that your issues are unique to you and very rare.
There is no reason to migrate the operating system on your developer box if the current system will do the job. The MM published software requirements clearly state that they support WinXP and for this reason one cannot blame the operating system for broken software, or broken software installation packaging. I am sure, as do many of us, our developer machines are loaded with myriad of software tools with which we do our jobs, and it is reasonable to expect a software package advertised to support your operating system to do just that, and play nice with whatever else is already installed. In reviewing archives of talk lists, many forums, including those on the MM servers, the vast majority of questions over the past two years (I did not research further back) relate to install problems and update problems. The single most frustrating experience anyone can have is the most frequent response from MM Support, and that is the boilerplate response that tells you to read the documentation, and then drops the ball. This is not to say that there are a number of MM users who have not experienced problems. The good news is that there is a core of dedicated users who are willing to take upon themselves the job of digging right in and helping where they can. There is a core of MM marketing people who frequent some of the lists that take a personal interest in assisting where they can, and for this, kudos are awarded. In my own experience, after purchasing FCS, and sending in a support request for an install issue, I did not even receive the boilerplate response, instructing me to read the documentation, for FIVE months after the support request. I never, to this date got any further response from Tech support, and it is now over a year since the purchase. After becoming a pest on the mmug manager list, I was finally put in touch with one person (who incidentally was far more experienced with Mac and OSX than windows), who spent a great deal of time on the phone trying to resolve the problem I was having. It was never resolved, but not because he did not try. This person works for MM in marketing, not Tech support. The end result is that we have discontinued our attempts to use the software, and cannot recommend it to anyone. We do not consider it in our best interests to make an additional purchase for an upgraded version. My own production servers run Windows2k Adv server, and Red Hat Linux 7.3, all running CF 5.0, (manually updated when required) and have served us and our clients well. We managed to get CFMX PRO to install and run on Red Hat 9.0, (including the updater). We support databases including Access, SQL2000 (sp3), Oracle 9i, SAP, MySQL, and Postgres. We have a new server on which I have installed Windows 2003 Enterprise server and managed to get CFMX Pro installed with considerable hacking, but cannot install updater 3 because basically the updater does not support this platform. The individual files in updater 3 are not separately available, nor is adequate documentation which would allow me to tackle a manual install, and then write a review on the procedures required to be a success. I am waiting for MM to announce and then publish support for Windows 2003 at which time we will revisit the updater issue. In the meantime the product will be running without the updater(s) I especially like the remoting feature which does not require terminal services to be running, and allows me to configure the box as if I were at the console. We are quite excited about the upcoming release of Microsoft RTC server, having participated in the beta, which should fit nicely into our video conferencing packages available to clients, at reasonable cost. ====================================== Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! For hosting solutions: http://www.clickdoug.com ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 ====================================== If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Kear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 7:58 AM Subject: Before you rush to tell me what to do ... (was: Quick note from the CF Team....) | -----Original Message----- | Thomas Chiverton said: If it's a dev box though, why not run 2K on it like | the actual server ? | | | | | Why? Why would I pull down my system all over again and install Win2k? What | would that give me that I don't get now from WinXPPRO? This is my Dev | machine which I also use as my personal PC. I am always interested in | better ways to do things but they have to make business sense. I'm not on | salary - like a great many on this list, I earn my living by charging for | work done. | | I have neither the free days (I run a very small business by myself!) nor | the $1000 to spend on yet another course to learn how to set up Win2K since | Win2003 is only around the corner unless I can see a pressing advantage for | doing so. Win2K has too many concepts that are different from WinXP. I | can't see what I'd gain by changing to it. Specially since as we have | proven with these servers, they're not bulletproof either. | | I'm a web developer, I pay other people to be network people. I can only | learn just so much. As it is I spend about a third of my time learning | things. What would I gain by also learning all the ins and outs of Win2K | since I only have 2 people in my company and a 2-PC network? | | I'd rather spend my time learning about Flash Remoting and CFCs which I can | turn into cash-type-money from web site owners than spend it learning about | networks just so I can have a system that's identical to the one I use for a | production server. | | Unless you can convince me I would earn more in my little web dev business | by knowing how Win2k works than by knowing how CFCs and Flash Remoting work. | | | So I'm going to explain it all. I'm always interested in any better way to | run my business, but I do wish people telling me how to do things would at | least take the time to know what I do now before they tell me what to do | .... | | | I run a one-person business. I hire subcontractors where I need additional | person-hours to meet my deadlines. I run a two-PC network in my own office | as my business PCs and dev environment. My PCs have WinXPPro kept up to | date to the minute, with SQL2000 (SP3) and IIs5.1 web server. On those | boxes I have just under 1GB of RAM on each machine and never less than 10GB | of free space. Currently I have 32GB free on this 'main' machine. They | both have McAfee AntiVirus kept up to date - checked twice a day for | updates. For tools I have: | MS Office2002 suite with all service packs applied, | ColdFusion Studio 5.0 | DreamweaverMX, | FireworksMX, | FlashMX, | TopStylePro2.51, | UltraEdit10 text editor, | Photoshop7, | Illustrator10, | CoolEditPro2.0 | Plus sundry other 'use once in a while' tools. | | All connected on a 512KB ADSL pipe to the internet. | | Does anyone feel like telling me this is an inadequate environment for | developing maintaining and testing small web sites? I reckon it's as good | as anyone's and better than most. | | It was THESE Machines that gave me trouble in January. I ended up having to | rebuild the "main" machine because I changed the mother board and WinXP | didn't like the new chipset. Formatting the hard drive and beginning from | scratch ended up allowing CFMX to install properly. (I wont go into all | that again for the 4th time today). | | | | My production servers are serious Win2K servers housed in a major data | centre on a huge bandwidth pipe - load balanced over OC192 fibre, 2GBPS, OC3 | (155MBPS) and DS3 (45MBPS) connections. The servers are only used as | production web servers. It is OUR one of THESE that is now causing problems | as we try to add the updater3 to CFMX. | | | I should also say that I'm grateful that Damon Cooper of Macromedia has | personally taken an interest in the issues at the data centre on my | production servers and discussion is going on between Microsoft Support and | the Sysadmin at the data centre. I'm leaving them to it for now. | | I am most grateful to Damon for making that all happen, which may well have | a positive impact on a lot of web sites. | | Again, I'm really interested in any ideas from any source that might help me | run my business better, but - EVERYONE - do please know what you're talking | about before you tell me what to do. | | | | Cheers, | Michael Kear | Windsor, NSW, Australia | AFP Webworks. | | | | | | | | | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Host with the leader in ColdFusion hosting. Voted #1 ColdFusion host by CF Developers. Offering shared and dedicated hosting options. www.cfxhosting.com/default.cfm?redirect=10481 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
