I hear ya:) but maybe I'm missing something........ if you already have coldfusion its only $649 to upgrade right? or download the trial & you have a developers edition and find a good host to send your clients too & you are good to go.
or http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3612923717&category=1251 aside from that, yeah I know how much it costs to live in new york, I sell lofts all over the usa & canada. But that's your choice to live there. I used to live in my loft in downtown denver and it wasn't cheap either:) But for the moment I live in KY, where $450 a month will get you a pretty big house:) I don't do this for a living & I really have no idea what you guys make a year but I know the money is there and can be made. Heck, I just finished my first cf site and was immediately offered a job by the company I beat out to get the deal and to start at 80k a year. So you guys must be doing ok! What I don't get is how some of you guys work for shops that charge over $100 an hour but are only making 40k a year or so. so lets say 40 hour week that's 2080 hours a year @ $100 an hour = 208k a year. If you took home 1/2 that's 104k a year. That's a decent living, even in NY. If you take home 40-50k a year you are getting used and abused!! ok, its 430am and im half asleep, only got up to pee, maybe I don't know right now what I am talking about:) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rafael Alan Bleiweiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 1:28 AM Subject: Re: CF Compatability > The Lexus-Toyota debate... > > More than a couple on the list placed the concept of "a few bucks" being > the difference between MX and BD free version... > > First, I may be working more hours than I ever did, however most of this is > unbillable hours these days - I'm forcing myself to learn Flash - not just > intros that I've been doing for a year... REAL Flash - ActionScript, > connecting to CF... because in the past year I watched my work > opportunities dry up more than ever, and my company folded, though I am > still in the game, after over 8 years of web development... so I get to > reinvent myself to move forward. > > So for me, SURE some of the time I still charge $100 or $150 an hour... > that's the exception for me now not the rule anymore... Now, it's hey- > I've got to come up with food money again... oh wow - out of the ten > proposals I sent out THREE months ago, ONE came back and they want to know > if I'll do the work on condition that they pay me in 18 monthly > installments! Holy Canoli ! What do I say - sorry - I am saving up to > upgrade to MX, so either you pay me in three payments, ALL before you go > live? Sorry - too many weeks and months of eating New York City vendor hot > dogs as my source of nourishment to play that game these days. > > Besides - I don't know to presume where you live Dave, but here in the big > apple, we pay premium bucks for the smallest living quarters (all > ostensibly to have access to the big bucks clients that now seem to be > putting off new web work)... > > Got to the point last year where I walked away from my beautiful Mustang > convertible - with just six payments left on a five year plan... > > This is ANYTHING other than complaining, bitching, or pity-potting... This > is simple reality at the moment. So FREE is always in this scenario a > better alternative than $1300!!! > > > > At 08:14 PM 6/14/03 -0400, you wrote: > >depends on how you look at it > > > >if you have ever owned a Toyota & a Lexus you know the difference in the > >Lexus is superior and you don't mind spending the few extra bucks for one, > >although both are good products:) but not the same. > > > >It would take an awful lot to get me away from MM. To some people I would > >say the .net part is attractive, to me its really not. After all one of the > >reasons I left asp was to get away from the big machine (M$). > >But then again I'm not much of a developer (right Ben, lol) I'm a business > >man & I know that if I walked into a meeting and had to prove my case with > >cf against a .net user that I'd squash him. > > > >could go on & on but I don't want Charlie Griefer making fun of my spelling > >anymore, hahaha, jk Charlie > > > >to the other Charlie @ new atlanta: > >Charlie, I'm a bit different than most people on the list in that I'm not a > >developer by trade. Actually, I own a real estate company & I do this as a > >hobby. From my perspective it seems that in most cases Blue Dragon is still > >at cf 5.0. And I basically have been learning cf from cfmx & I just can't > >see me going backwards to learn what yesterday had. I realize a lot of > >people are still at 4.5 but a lot aren't. And with the more recent pushes by > >MM to keep cf going forward more people are starting to come over and I > >can't see them not doing what I am. That is learning from cfmx. > >The biggest complaint I hear from people is the cost. Truthfully I don't > >really buy that completely. Sure its some cash but when these shops are > >charging $100 + an hour & you can write off what 65% or so of the cost , its > >only a few hours of actual on the clock costs. > > > >but anyway, like I said I'm not knocking your product at all, actually > >sometimes its intriguing. But Just thought I'd tell ya what this consumers > >perception is from basically just reading what has been said on this list > >over the last few months. > > > >~you can have my girl but don't touch my car or my dwmx!~ > > > >haha, jk:) > > > >dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "John Quarto-vonTivadar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 5:52 PM > >Subject: Re: CF Compatability > > > > > > > > But will I give up my Lexus for a Toyota..............nope:)(the girls > > > like > > > > it) > > > > > > > > dave > > > > > > > > > > > > > then you haven't seen my Toyota :) > > > > > > by the way, *IF* this is the analogy you mean, then you're making > >Charlie's > > > case for him, since it's what's under the hood that counts -- otherwise > >all > > > we're doing is drinking th emarketing kool-aid and we might just as well > > > call CFCs "true objects" and be done with it. > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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