>Well, call me old school, but I find these sites annoying and difficult to use.  It 
>is my firm opinion that the vast
majority of web users do not care for this stuff.  It is meant to impress developers, 
techies and managers but it is
hopelessly unfriendly to the majority of users who simply want to accomplish a task on 
a site.

Yeah, but this list is made up of developers and techies, not [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>Who wants aggravated customers?

F*&( the customer.  We're not talking about customers.

>This is going to be hotly denounced by those who love the bleeding edge, but plain 
>HTML (black text, white BG, blue
links, no fancy DHTML) is almost always the best choice to let the user get what they 
want fast.

Yes.  Flash is like so many other technologies, it has it's place.  Unfortunately, too 
many people see simple uses for
flash, and not the good uses.  At the same time, the "vast majority of web users" 
probably don't even know what flash
is.  They don't like popups, but they don't know that it's flash.

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