These are things a good developer handles for. Tab controls are certainly easy to add to a form in Flash.
M -----Original Message----- From: Greg Luce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 1:09 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good? I personally dislike flash forms where you can't tab from field to field, and when you hit "enter" with the cursor in any of the fields, the form won't submit. That in my experience is the way users are "trained" to use a form. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Clint [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:43 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good? Ok, here is a simplified version of what I did for my company. http://www.solowebworx.com/search.html Now, this is a quick example and not a FULL example of what I was talking about. If anyone is interested in the code, I will post a zip of it on my site. thanks, Clint ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:36 AM Subject: Re: Is Flash really THAT good? > Unfortunately, There are a ton of Flash web sites, that are either > media centric, cartoon centric, or game centric, and there is a dearth > of business/commerce centric Flash sites. > > Referring a potential commercial client to the Macromedia.com or many > of the > other "sample" Flash sites, which are full of slow loading, multiple > popup windows, and other absolutely useless functionality, while noisy > and show pretty > animations and colors, will surely turn most of them completely off. > > There have been a very few (unfortunately) Web sites that use flash as > an adjunct to conventional commercial development languages, such as > CFMX, CF 5.0, > PHP or even ASP can do much more IMHO, in creating a user friendly, > well designed, bandwidth conservative, presentation of the business > entity, including > our by-words; "Dynamic data-driven web application" > > The competition is on for the most eye-catching presentation of the business > "face" done with the mission of bringing the client back often. I > believe all of > the software publishers are throwing marketing > (name-your-currency-here) to try > to corner the market where the big bucks are. Be it .NET, ASP, ASPX, > CF, CFMX, > PHP, and others. > > A web developer must keep in mind that all of these are tools to get > the job > done. The focus should be on doing the job and meeting the customer's needs. > Managers, frequently either fall for the marketing hype, or will > choose a technology based on the in-house skillsets. I can quote > example after example > of businesses that have wasted a tremendous amount of development > money in trying to develop in, or convert to a particular technology, > just because it > seemed to be the "in" thing to do at the time, and was getting quite a > bit of > attention in articles written in the various "free" trade > publications., whose > focus changes from issue to issue. > > The practice of management dictating the technology before development starts, > is, in most cases, a costly, very costly mistake, and not only hurts > the bottom > line, but wastes developer resources. The previous sentence, I > believe, is > probably the greatest contributor to developer unhappiness with his > job, and > also contributes to developers moving from job to job. Two very large scale > operations come to mind, but I will not name names here. In one, the IT > manager dictated three years ago a complete switch from a ColdFusion > data driven > web site, which included a high volume order entry and shopping cart, > to pure > Java. They had a twenty developer ColdFusion developer team, 18 of which have > since left the company, and the new technology has not yet been fully > implemented. The two remaining CF coders, are kept busy with updates > on the > existing site, but literally thousands upon thousands of dollars have > been thrown down a empty hole with little or no progress, mainly due > to the moving > target of the adopted technology. The other made a deal with Oracle for > enterprise licensing, and the attending Java hype, and is spending millions to > convert a Hodge-podge of database programs that previously worked > well, but were > not integrated, and a blind insistence on writing all applications in > pure Java, > which we all recognize is still a moving target. > > As a Macromedia User group manager, I have been exposed from among our > membership, all of the above. We have a wide diversity of developer > and management types among our membership. There are some really > atrociously designed web sites that, while full of eye candy, are > really short on functionality. There are some web sites that function > fairly well, but are > poorly organized and suffer from design effort. Even fewer are the web sites > that bring together both design and functionality. Each of us have > that area in > which we excel, and that is a good thing, but all of us must widen our skills to > at least have a working knowledge of each technology, as it applied to the > project(s) in hand. We must remain focused on the solution to the customer's > needs and wants, and should integrate their input every step of the > way. > > Bottom, line, as one who is intimate with several technologies, and centered on > ColdFusion, I am still convinced, that while Flash has a niche place > in enterprise development, it is not the complete answer, and as CF > install, documentation and performance issues continue to be > addressed, and the Red Sky > beta becomes a release, developers will come to recognize that CF is a very > reasonable and efficient alternative to these much-hyped new > technologies. It > takes less lines of code to produce results than any of the other languages and > is considered by many a standard for Rapid Application Development > (RAD) > > What is wrong with the KISS methodology? (Keep It Simple, Stupid) > > I will stop here as I think I have gone over my 0.02 worth. feel free > to add or > comment. > > ====================================== > Stop spam on your domain, use our gateway! > For hosting solutions http://www.clickdoug.com > ISP rated: http://www.forta.com/cf/isp/isp.cfm?isp_id=772 > ====================================== > If you are not satisfied with my service, my job isn't done! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lofback, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 10:07 AM > Subject: RE: Is Flash really THAT good? > > > | > However, with a thread like this, it makes me think that you are > | > like the others who bitch about flash yet haven't seen any flash > | > movies worth while. Here are a few flash sites that I consider to > | > be worth your viewing. > | > > | > http://www.2advanced.com/flashindex.htm > | > > | > http://www.egomedia.com > | > > | > http://www.estudio.com > | > > | > just about any flash site on http://www.cwd.dk > | > > | > http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html (had to throw this is > | > for the humor) > | > > | > Just to name a few. > | > | Well, call me old school, but I find these sites annoying and > | difficult to > use. It is my firm opinion that the vast majority of web users do not care for > this stuff. It is meant to impress developers, techies and managers > but it is > hopelessly unfriendly to the majority of users who simply want to accomplish a > task on a site. They do not want to wait for these gee-whiz > animations to load > or to figure out which widget does what--they just want to get what > they are > there for, and making them wait while your site goes into these > gyrations is > just bad business. Who wants aggravated customers? > | > | Customer service always wins over gimmicks. On the web, "speed and usability" > = good customer service, "splash pages and non-standard navigation" = > bad service. > | > | This is going to be hotly denounced by those who love the bleeding > | edge, but > plain HTML (black text, white BG, blue links, no fancy DHTML) is > almost always > the best choice to let the user get what they want fast. Unless your product IS > multimedia-based, or you are using Flash (or any other plugin/gizmo) > to make > your service easier/faster to use or to provide some vital capabilities--like > enhanced form validation/processing--I wouldn't use it. For whom do > we develop > our web apps? The developers or the users? If you are an online business, > you'd better think about it! Look at Yahoo and Google. It's no coincidence > that they are successful and they both use simple designs. > | > | http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ > | > | OK, Flame on! :) > | > | Chris > | > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4
