WHat you are describing there could very well be done with PHP Site
generators that
do everything for you, whilst you just pick and choose options.


If there was an application like this in CF you would have the same
timetable for completion, since all the work of developing the site is
more or less done for you.


FOr whatever reason, however, no one has brought out a similar
tool/application for COldfusion.
Whilst there are several for PHP and apparently of Python.


The real test will be when/if you need to customise something and have
to edit the source code.


-Gel

-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Grover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Coldfusion VS Zope (Python) ... HELP!!

If it helps any, I've just started implementing Zope on my personal
server,
but code in CF professionally.  My experience thus far is that Zope does
have a lot of potential to make life easy.  I've installed Plone on top
of
Zope, then within an hour, I had a basic web site up and running, with
editing capabilities, online management of the site, and some other
nifty
tools thrown in like search capabilities, and and news listings.  From
what
I've read, you can take a section of your site (like news listings) and
create an RSS feed for them with a (relatively) few keystrokes/mouse
clicks.

To create something from scratch like this in CF would have taken at
least a
week or two by an experienced CF programmer (this is my own opinion).
So,
the 3 or 4 days I've spent figuring out the installation routines for
Zope
and Plone, and getting a basic feel for the tools have been well spent.
Currently I'm trying to figure out how to setup the CMFVisualEditor tool
for
Zope to provide WYSIWYG editing of pages.  Once I have this done, then
I'll
be diving deeper into customizing my templates.  If all goes well, I'll
be
able to publish my sight by Monday.  If I were doing this in CF, my
target
publish date would be a month or two down the road....  Oh, and btw, I
haven't yet had to do any python scripting.  (I face the same deal as
you
with regards to python - I don't know it....)

Don't get me wrong, I love CF and have done and seen other's do some
very
amazing stuff with it.  But for my personal server, I've choosen the
open
source route, and CF doesn't play well with Gentoo Linux.

My recommendation would be to at least become partially familiar with
Zope,
then make a judgment for your specific needs.  

HTH

Shawn


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