I'm in agreement with you on this issue and in partial agreement with Sandy. Let me explain why.
a) DHTML Menus. Although DHTML flyout menus (submenus one sees on many sites) technically meet Section 508 compliance --they fail on useabability. Turns out screen readers users do not have a clue to know that the submenu exists beneath the first menu.
b) Design using styles without tables. One of the latest trends (especally if one reads Zeldman) is using CSS without tables. From a W3 acessablity point of view, this would be the proper way of creating accessability web sites. The DIV, P, and Hx tags would be overridden by the user defined stylesheet, while the custom styles would take care of any positioning issues (provided the developer uses emS instead of Pixels). Pull the stylesheet away and the page looses its useability and not very clear.
Jeremy Brodie
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>I'm not sure you have to read that far into it. You can make a document
>unreadable with a style sheet using only CSS and no script or DHTML.
>
>I remember, for example, sites (especially right after CSS "hit it") that
>used style sheets to position content for text effects. They might take
>three copies of the same content and then position them to create a
>highlight and drop shadow effects. However when seen without the style
>sheet you ended up with a mish-mash of duplicated headers and lines and
>initial characters.
>
>I've also see silly layouts with vertical or otherwise extremely positioned
>text that were just illegible without the associated sheet. These are
>"worse" in a sense because they are actually doable in an accessible manner
>but more care was taken on the pretty layout than one the content.
>
>Jim Davis
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>From: Sandy Clark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 8:30 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: Section 508
>
>That paragraph actually means that you can't write content to a document via
>something like _javascript_ and CSS (ie DHTML).
>
>
>for instance, if you were using DHTML to open a layer in which _javascript_
>wrote something using document.write(), that is not allowed, because the
>content of a page would not be the same as if CSS (and _javascript_) were
>turned on.
>
>
>A page must contain the same information with or without the use of CSS. It
>doesn't have to look the same. A page can be styled in CSS using
>positioning, etc. and still be completely readable when style sheets are
>turned off.
>
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>From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 6:13 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: Section 508
>
>Jeremy Brodie wrote:
>>
>> (d) Documents shall be organized so they are readable without requiring an
>associated style sheet.
>>
>> Comment: The W3 tells us to use stylesheets for asseability purposes! This
>item takes web design a step backwards instead of forwards.
>
>Why would it take design a step backwards instead of forward? All
>it requires is that you make sure your site is readable without
>stylesheets.
>
>Jochem
>
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