not a mailing list, but that's where i head when i have a question.
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Kitta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: den 19 februari 2004 21:16
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT: windows mailing list
Thank you all for replying, I joined some mailing lists and I hope that I
will get answers to all of my windows networking related questions.
>Agree. Well if its any consolation - in my experience - going to Linux
>goes from hard to a better - where as going to windows goes from easy to
>frustrating.
I hope that the "frustrating" part of windows is followed by "easy" (i.e.
its a loop). :)
TK
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Rohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 2:16 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: OT: windows mailing list
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 10:56, Benjamin S. Rogers wrote:
>
> Getting all the relevant services up and running (the SUNWAS, FTP, etc.)
was
> a nightmare, mostly because of obscure configuration settings. Sites
like
> the VSFTPD seem less concerned with documentation and examples and more
> concerned with attacking the security history of other FTP daemons.
hehehe - yeah that true.Once you figure out how to setup services and
stuff its a lot easier - no simple gui etc. But you are right on with
the pissed off tech flaming stuff <looks in mirror> hehehe
> We had always been used to searching the news groups and the Web for
> solutions to our problems. We rarely have to resort to calling tech
support.
> However, Web searches generally produced nothing but MAN pages, which
are
> more like hints than actual manuals.
true, more verbose then --help, but less then a book.
> They generally assume that you already
> know how to do something but need to be reminded of a switch. There also
> seems to be some unspoken rule that a MAN page should not include any
> mention of syntax or a working example.
Some have examples, but you are right they are more geared toward for
if you have some idea of how the command/function/library works.
> News group searches were down right frustrating. Attempts to figure out
how
> to set up the SUNWAS as a service on RedHat produced one argument after
the
> next. Most were flame wars between RedHat and Debian users (ostensibly),
> arguing over which distribution's utility for managing services is
better.
Yeah, a lot of "hard core" open source people are starting to really
hate Redhat, so I can see how you'd run into anger. Be like asking how
to get a windows box on a linux network - geeks can be easily side
tracked.
> In the end, RedHat Linux was pretty much installed via trial and error.
I
> was able to set up SUNWAS as a service by copying other service scripts
and
> changing them until I found a magic combination that seemed to work.
Most of
> my Linux experience was that way. I found very little help on the Web or
in
> the news groups. We spent much more time on the phone with RedHat than
any
> other vendor.
Wow, that sucks. When I first started setting up linux I never did ask a
news group, but I look up a lot of how-tos on the internet and they were
rad. Step by step on how to do most anything I wanted. Next time, try
going to http://www.google.com/linux and search for "sunwas how-to" or
something along those line. I couldnt find a similar keyword for windows
items.
> I'm sure there are good resources out there. I'm also sure that, after
> spending years working in a largely Windows world, I'll need to learn
the
> vocabulary of a new operating system.
This is probably the root of my problem as well - if you get right down
to it. You have to know how to ask the question in the form of the
audience I suppose.
> After all, it's difficult to search
> for a solution if you're using the wrong words to describe your problem.
> Nevertheless, this first attempt was a pretty disappointing experience.
Agree. Well if its any consolation - in my experience - going to Linux
goes from hard to a better - where as going to windows goes from easy to
frustrating.
--
Vale,
Rob
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