On Mar 16, 2004, at 9:37 AM, Dave Carabetta wrote:

>  >Laszlo code is written in XML and _javascript_ as opposed to the
>  >Movie/ActionScript construct of Flash.
>
>  I think that this is a key statement because it allows new developers
> to
>  leverage existing knowledge as opposed to having to learn yet another
>  language.

Yes!  I can write Flash, but I am uncomfortable with it (the IDE drives
me crazy and the structure seems to get in my way).  This probably is  
just me -- and a left brain, right brain sort of thing.  I have a
friend who is a graphic artist who swears by Flash.  And some of the
things I've seen that use Flash are fantastic -- that's why I keep
coming back to it.

>  >I think I like it.
>
>  Me too. Hopefully Flex takes the strengths of Laszlo and other similar
>  products and improves on the developer and client experience.

Yes! I would like to see Flex.  No question, in my mind that MM will
provide a top-quality product with great support!

>  If you want a good real-world example of Laszlo in action, Howard
> Dean's
>  campaign calendar uses Laszlo for its presentation, and I think it's a
>  pretty solid little app:
>
>  http://cal.deanforamerica.com:8080/lps-1.0.2/calendar/index.html
>

Nice App -- performs well.

>
>  >Performance appears to be a little sluggish
>
>  Since the SWF is run client-side, is it your machine? What sort of
> machine
>  are you running? All the samples I've run from their site (and others
> like
>  the Howard Dean calendar above) run smoothly for me.
>

Right now, I have a lot running on my 1GHz 1Gig RAM Mac PB.  But I
thought performance of LZ was sluggish, earlier, when I was running
very little else.

The optimizer might help, and should reduce the code size.

Ya know, LZ performance reminds me a little of CFMX 6.0 compared to
earlier versions -- development delays due to recompiling the CF
templates with each change & slower overall performance in many things.
   Now, MM has done an outstanding job with the performance of the
latest version of CFMX.   Maybe as LZ and Flex get a little history
under their belts...

>  >Anyway, this might be a good alternative to Flash for those of us who
>  >are uneasy with Flash model.
>  >
>
>  I think, if nothing else, it's a great indication of what can be done
> with
>  programmatic Flash. RIA development legitimately opens up to a whole
> new
>  developer community who are used to coding (not that it's closed by
> any
>  means now, but it's a slightly different pardigm). I also think
> Laszlo/Flex
>  will be 2 of several driving forces behind the next generation of RIA
>  development (Microsoft's Avalon being another one that comes to mind,
> but
>  only God knows when that'll be available!).
>

I certainly am  in that group -- guess I suffer from stage fright %^)>

Dick
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