big a deal. It just makes sure that they understand basic syntax and
concepts. I have to agree though, that actual conversation will
uncover a lot more about what an interviewee actually knows as long as
the interviewer fully understands everything that is said--don't let
the candidate get awaywith any BS.
On Thu, 1 Jul 2004 08:13:51 -0500, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Internet job sites are definitely the way to go, especially when hiring computer programmers.
>
> As for the interview, i personally loathe the idea of giving structured "tests" or projects to job applicants and using the results as a basis for apptitude evaluation. A good interviewer can learn more in a 30 minute informal discussion with someone than from any test. This is especially true with Cold Fusion, who's relative ease-of-use puts a higher premium (in my opinion) on a developer's creativity, ingenuity, and overall personality.
>
> Hey, one only need to look at the characters on this list too see what I mean :)
>
> Brian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: B G
> To: CF-Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:37 PM
> Subject: RE: Finding good developers
>
> Thanks all for the suggestions. In my experience, my best candidates have
> been those with whom I've been able to have good discussions with. My
> interviews are very informal. As one suggestion noted, though someone might
> not know what MVC stands for, if they can articulate work they've done that
> results in a certain method, then they probably can produce good code.
>
> On sourcing though, other than a site like Craigslist, what have been your
> best sources for candidates? Newspaper ads? Monster.com? Other job sites?
> Recruiters?
>
> >From: "Burns, John D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: RE: Finding good developers
> >Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:48:41 -0400
> >
> >One final addition and then I'll shut up...
> >
> >I've been asked by a previous employer what I am most excited about
> >learning or what new CF functionality am I currently playing
> >with/learning/using that excites me. This will let you know if the
> >person is attempting to grow and learn or if they're just someone who
> >has been doing it for years and sometimes if they "know it all". I
> >personally value someone who is trying to learn as much as they can (and
> >seems to retain most of it) over someone who is really good at something
> >that is out of touch with new trends and technologies.
> >
> >John Burns
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Whittingham, P [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:11 PM
> >To: CF-Talk
> >Subject: RE: Finding good developers
> >
> >If you are looking for example for a Cold Fusion developer, find years
> >of experience in html/css/_javascript_/dhtml and Cold Fusion along with
> >lots of sqlstored procedures. Then ask several questions from easy to
> >hard questions on those areas, giving your staff to help create the
> >questions. They will at least get an idea of the potential applicate.
> >Also, graphic tools (Photoshop/Fireworks) questions might be good also.
> >Asking for their previous work might be hard for the applicate, since
> >his/her work might be the property of his current employer. I've been
> >involved on both side over the last 25 years and a 'good' developer can
> >sometimes 'sense' a another good one.
> >
> >- Pat
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> >From: B G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Wed 6/30/2004 1:24 PM
> >To: CF-Talk
> >Subject: OT: Finding good developers
> >
> >
> >Not to say that this list isn't stocked with good developers!
> >
> >But...As my department is growing my need to find good staff is
> >increasing.
> >I need to find good resources for both full-time positions and temporary
> >contract/project based openings. My experience with headhunters has
> >been very consistent. They're pushy and they don't really care about my
> >staffing needs as long as I place someone. Can anyone offer some advice
> >on companies that offer staffing solutions or other similar resources?
> >Any thoughts on this are greatly appreciated. For local info I am
> >located in Chicago.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >BG
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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