Thanks for the response Sam,

Sorry for the delay in response,

> Whitespace is usually important when there's a lot of it.
> I heard at CFUN that Mach-ii initially created tons of
> whitespace and was very problematic until the most recent
> release.  It still creates a lot of whitespace since
> it supports Blue Dragon and BD has an incompatible
> implementation of the output attribute on cffunction.

I'd have to load up a copy of mii again to have a look at what it does
with the white space. the onTap framework seems to be pretty friendly
about allowing you to control it. I put a <cfsetting
enablecfoutputonly="true"> in a template in the application stage and
that stripped out a whole bunch of extra space. I did have to put
cfoutput around a few bits of code in the framework templates and
republished it since it's probably better that way.

>> My thinking is that at 1.2mbps even a few KB's of
>> extra white space isn't going to add more than a
>> fraction of a second to the download is it?

> Who's at 1.2mbps?  That's certainly not average.

Good point. I was thinking of advertised speeds. It seems like I see
1.2mbps advertised a lot, but then that could be me just not paying
much attention. Mind that I'm pretty sure they're saying "megabits",
not "megabYtEs" in the adds to make it seem as though it's 8x as fast
as they're actually claiming.

> Even if you have a line that's that fast connection to
> most sites is slower due to many issues.  And a few kb
> might not be so much of a concern, but I have seen sites
> with a mb of whitespace in them (although I would expect
> this is not from a framework
> but rather poorly written application code).

> Other areas for the comparison:

> BD support
> Performance (needs to be basically same app implemented in
> all frameworks so
> you're really only comparing frameworks)

Yea, I should add this... haven't gotten around to it yet... There are
plans for onTap to support BD although right now that's stimied by
their not fixing one of their bugs in 6.1. They've said they plan to
fix it in 6.2 but we have no rumors about the schedule for that, so...
As of now the framework doesn't even load on BD. Sucks.

> Also, I heard that mach-ii is being ported
> to both PHP and Java.

Come to think of it I already knew that Sean Corfield was using
mach-ii for PHP for his blog.

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