On Jul 15, 2004, at 10:52 AM, Matt Liotta wrote:

> > Rob pointed out that Eclipse is slow on the Mac (in comparison to
> other
>  > Mac Java apps) because IBM wrote Eclipse using its own SWT toolkit,
>  > rather than the standard stuff from Sun.��Apple optimized much of
> Sun's
>  > Java GUI stuff for the Mac OS and Quartz display layer, then gave
> the
>  > modifications back to Sun. Eclipse doesn't use the optimized Java
> code.
>  >
>  SWT is a thin Java wrapper on top of Native UI widgets, so SWT UIs are
>  generally perform better and match the OS a lot more. Eclipse is not
> slow on
>  the Mac and neither are SWT based applications. If Eclipse is slow on
> your
>  Mac then you have configured things wrong or simply haven't provided
> it
>  enough resources.

What configure-- How? Where is that discussed?

How Do I provide addl resources?

OK, I have this running.

Safari  2 windows open -- no applets, swf or animation
Mail 2 windows open
Activity Monitor
Terminal 3 windows
Eclipse
MySQLd
JRun
CFMX61
75 processes, 275 threads

And Eclipse still seems slow -- takes .75 sec to switch windows or tabs
-- small programs, windows side-by-side, no overlap.

>  I have the exact same machine as you and I don't
>  experience bad performance.

It isn't bad -- just slower than I am used to -- slower than BBEdit,
much faster than DW, similar to JEdit.

>
>  > Rob also pointed out in Eclipse on other platforms you can break off
>  > portions of the Eclipse window and have them appear in separate
> windows
>  > on the desktop -- can't do this in the Mac implementation.
>  >
>  But you can have multiple Workbench windows.

Yes, that partially compensates -- realistically, I hate windoids!

>
>  > The play-for-pay vs free issue re He3 vs CFEclipse is an interesting
>  > one -- In many large enterprises, perceived value is often equated
> with
>  > price.
>  >
>  Again, He3 offers a free edition.

I meant that a priced edition may be to your advantage from a marketing
standpoint.

>
>  > 1) Drag and drop a file or selection: within an Eclipse window;
> between
>  > Eclipse windows; From the file system to Eclipse; From another
>  > application to Eclipse; from Eclipse to another application.
>  >
>  Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are looking for, but D&D works
> for me.

The way D&D works in BBEdit and other apps (like Mail, etc) is this:

1) Select some text & release the mouse button.
2) Click-hold within the selected text
3) drag & release the mouse button to drop.

In Eclipse, step 2 deselects the text -- so there is nothing to drag.

>  > 3) Select/copy/paste/D&D a rectangular area of text.��for example, I
>  > can select the name parameter from lines 101 threw 105 and
> manipulate
>  > as a separate entity, as shown below:
>  >
>  There is an open source plugin that allows for this.

I will look for that plugin -- a very useful tool, at times.

Dick

>
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