On Jul 18, 2004, at 7:02 AM, Dave Watts wrote:

> > Two questions -- MS bought Connectix to get VirtualPC -- from what
>  > I've heard, not so much for Mac emulation of PCs, but for PC
> emulation
>  > of multiple PCs (the old IBM ploy -- If somebody is going to take
> away
>  > some of our business, it might as well be us!)
>
>  Yes, that's the impression I have as well. There's apparently a
> pretty big
>  potential market for server virtualization. The benefit to MS is that
> they
>  can help their NT 4 customers keep poking along by virtualizing those
> NT 4
>  services.

So, NT4 (and other older systems) are treated as legacy systems.

>  > Is VirtualPC a serious competitor to VMWare ($400 seems awfully high
>  > for an emulator).
>
>  I haven't really used it seriously, but I'm sure it is. That's pretty
> much
>  all VMware offers - various virtualization products. So, they have to
> charge
>  a decent amount for it if they want to stay in business. Microsoft,
> on the
>  other hand, can give it away if they like.
>
>  > What do you do with VMware that you are using it more often?
>
>  I use it for all sorts of things. I use it for testing older products
> - some
>  stuff just doesn't run on Windows Server 2003, for example.

Understand!

> I use it for
>  installing and running things I don't really want installed or run on
> my
>  actual computer, such as viruses and the like.

OK.

Are there any viri that recognize that they are running under emulation
and attack out of the bounds of the VM?

> I use it for learning about
>  networking stuff without actually having a network of computers to
> play
>  with. For example, last week I wanted to learn how to set up the
> native
>  Windows load-balancer service, but didn't want to actually use two
> machines
>  to do so - well, I can do that with two concurrent VMware sessions. I
> also
>  use it to run Linux.

I see the advantages of this.

In fact, I have done something similar on the Mac:  VirtualPC running
WinXP and OpenLink Software's black box that presents MS-Access as a
server on the network.  Then a Native CF Mac program makes SQL requests
to the MS-Access "server".

You can do the same with SQL Server.

I would not recommend this for production, but it is an easy way to get
access to a client's database in order to replicate it on a native db
(Sybase, MySQL, etc).

How much of a performance hit do you get running VMWare or vVPC on a PC
-- or another way to ask, is it practical to run a production server
box or a prodo desktop bo?

IF, so, how many can you run -- where do you hit a wall.

On the Mac you can only run one VPC VM at at time but you can switch
between them in a minute or so.

Dick
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