I fully agree with you (Jim). Your comments on linux and Firefox are
very accurate as well.

Anyway, as I see that this has gone way off the original topic of this
thread, I would at least like to ask if any of you have any good books
or resources involving User Interface Development/Design that you
would recommend. I have read a book called "Inmates are Running the
Asylum", which was very good, but I would like to see some more
applied examples, etc.

If you would like, e-mail them to me off-list or let's start another
thread as I think this discussion is very valuable to all programmers
and on par with discussions that we have on this list.

Thanks again Jim and Rob.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:20:34 -0400
Subject: RE: WWOT: OS X for Intel?
To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I still say that overall they seem about the same to me.  There are so many
aspects to working with the OS's that you spend months coming up with lists
of "good and bad" for each.

For a brand new user my only suggestion is always to just pick the one that
your friends already use so that you can hit them up for free support.  ;^)

As an aside this is exactly where I think that Linux is failing: so far we
simply don't have any Linux Distros that even approach the consistency and
usability of the big two.  To a lesser extent I see the same problem with
FireFox - it's a gem wrapped in brown paper and that's a shame.

Jim Davis

From: Rob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:05 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: WWOT: OS X for Intel?

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:42:11 -0400, Jim Davis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As a professional human factors person my personal opinion is that both OX
X
> and XP score about even (overall) on usability.

I think that mac osx is a bit higher scoring on the UI because things
seem to be more readily available. Quite the opposite of the cd burner
icon complaint. With windows you have to drill down for everything -
from the start menu to the open file dialog everything is hidden (the
exception being the actual desktop). While mac has that too, the
launching docker and the 4 pane file opening dialog make it seem
easier to find / organize things - it just seems more fluid, less
hidden, and better organized.

> Both have frustrations,
> neither is completely immediately intuitive and both show that we've miles
> to go before the holy grail of the "invisible interface". ;^)

Yeah true that - and we probably wont get there if there is only one
way forced on everyone ;-)________________________________
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