well one of the things that u should applaud MM for is that they do try and incorporate as many technologies as possible, unlike M$ whos stance basically is, "use our stuff or else" (monopoly maybe?) But maybe if MM did show more of what cfm can do it would get those ppl over from the other launguages. Its like all the fights i got in on the flash coders lists with the php ppl cause they failed to believe that for most users cfm is free. ANd these werent ppl who were making enterprise sized apps, so of course its free but they still believe that cfm is a tag runner (like php) and that somewhere MM is gunna make u fork over $1300. They have no idea what reality really is but thats MM's fault for not taking a stand and making it clear. Majority of these ppl have no clue that cfm is now java based and can run with jsp or even (choke) .net. Sean was right earlier when he called php a 3rd wheel as it is neither java or .net based, i mean what r these ppl thinking? They'd probably switch to cgi if someone mentioned it was "cool" again ;)
regards to flash & flex, well in flex even a coder can make it look pretty friggin good with no effort and less time then making a typical cfm page. But again I personally think MM should really show how great of intregation that exists between cfm, flash, flex, jsp, etc.. what do they have too loose by going at it hard? sales? to php ppl? ummmmmmmm, hummmm maybe if they are informed correctly they will abdandon that mess of code and come to the "clean side" ;) and in flash and flex the ability to use cfc's is amazing, most times u dont even need to use remoting. ANd the speed when using cfc's or remoting kicks ass. without them u need mostly xml which creates way more overhead and is considerably slowerer, or soap and neither of those can even come close to being as efficiant as cfm. And what does php have? they can use xml, soap or remoting with amfphp. (sorry dave) but it looks like the amfphp prodject is dead but is available still. But lets say that Adobe picks up amfphp to try and get ppl away from MM and they fix all the issues and get it running & secure. Well MM surely wouldnt like that and would probably invoke there pattent on amf & sue the bejesus outta adobe(again), then what? Of course thats just an imaginary scenario but something similar could indeed happen. so while all these ppl are trying to use there "free" tools and constantly having to change and learn new things, there sits cfm, still free for them with all the goodies built in to them and are supported. But without them really knowing reality they arent gunna change. and the comments werent towards u by any means, just wrote it off the last post but gotta a sorority site to work on, more interesting than my ramblings! ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Rey Bango" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:37:39 -0400 >Great reply Dave and yes you're right about the cost savings derived via the >quick development cycle that's typical with CF. I hear ya. Been there done >that. > >All I'm saying is that CF's perception as, what you so aptly called, a >tagrunner still exists today and if a manager or developer thinks that >they're paying $1299 for a "tagrunner" they'll just use an alternative; >especially if its free. > >MM has taken CF to another level but they've done a poor job of positioning >and marketing the product. All they do is push RIA, Flash, Breeze and Flex >but neglate to push the app server. It's as if they'd prefer to keep the >middleware and backend autonomous as to not alienate other language >developers. If that's the case, I can certainly understand it from a >business perspective but it sure doesn't give CF any much needed exposure. > >Finally, with regard to learning Flash, you will always have people that are >more focused on backend development than UI. Flash is a UI tool and while >Flex may make things easier for developers to build RIAs, I dread to picture >the end results of some the UIs if developers assumed the roles of UI >designers. Ugh. Having developed Windows applications prior to building >Internet applications, I can tell you for fact that developers are the last >people you want doing any type of front-end work. > >Rey... > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=36 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:182101 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
