Ben, maybe jump around like a monkey on video like Steve Balmer did? Ha!!
Seriously, though, I've been involved in CF for a bit more than 4 years now. Only in this past year have I got constantly bombarded with info from macr in my email about products. So, yes, macr is doing something different. But yes, most of the stuff I see is RIA related. RIA stuffs seem to be what macr has bet the farm on for the future, it may well be the future, they seem well prepared for it, leading even. Like big M$, they too have some very passionate folks on their team too. Also, noting Ben's post, where macr needs to hit is the people making the decisions on buying, that usually is not the developer, far from it, eh? Doug On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:51:30 -0400, Ben Forta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interesting thread, on a whole bunch of levels. > > A few comments, and then an open question ... > > 1) Lots of messages imply that MM is not working on getting the word out > there. And I know for a fact that that is not true, it is what I do almost > full-time, and others work at it too. Maybe many are not seeing it, I'll get > back to that in a moment. > > 2) We are selling lots of CF. I can't disclose numbers and financials and > stuff without getting into all sorts of trouble, but I don't think I'll get > fired for saying that CF is indeed selling, and selling well. > > 3) What I have noticed is a dramatic change in who I am speaking to, and the > types of conversations. A few years ago I was talking to lots of .com > start-ups and developments shops and consultants and departmental decision > makers. I honestly don't bump into many of these anymore. But I do spend > lots of time talking to corporate decision makers, in the past few weeks I > have met with no less than a dozen well known very high profile > corporations, all using CF and lots of it. And this is reflected in the > types of sales we are making, and who we are selling to. With the changes in > CFMX, the maturation of the market in general, the tightening of the purse > strings and the subsequent trend towards consolidation and bringing projects > back in house, we are finding ourselves selling CF differently. Even > pricing, which some of you pointed out as an obstacle to CF growth, is in > reality not much of an obstacle. We rarely finds ourselves talking to those > for whom the cost of CF Standard is a deal-breaker, those who want to only > look at the initial cost. I can state quite emphatically that I have not > heard price as an objection in a long time now, not where we are finding > ourselves playing. The market has changed and space has changed. > > 4) Which brings me back to point #1. We are blowing the CF horn loud and > clear, but ads in trade rags and banners on coding sites and blurbs in tech > journals don't cut it anymore. We've ran ad campaigns, we know what they > cost and know how effective they are (or are not), and this has necessitated > a change in how we blow that horn (and where we blow it). > > And so my question to you is this ... > > What do you think would make a difference? Or put even more bluntly, if you > were my boss and could dictate how I spent my time, what would you want me > doing to spread the gospel according to Saint CF? > > --- Ben > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:03 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: CF developer numbers > > Man Dave, this one sentence sums up my gripes with MM: > > "But maybe if MM did show more of what cfm can do it would get those ppl > over from the other launguages." > > You can throw in the kitchen sink but if you don't get the word out, it > doesn't mean squat. > > Great post bud. > > Rey... > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=38 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:182136 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
