Thank you Ben for chiming in. It's been a long time since we've last chatted and I'm glad to see you still pushing for the CF community.
If you don't mind, please email me offlist with a contact number and I'll call you directly to share my views as well as recent events in my area that have caused my concerns. Rey.... PS: Thanks for helping our IT guy today via the MM tech support with a CFMX/CF5 cookie issue that was holding up our full migration to CFMX across our cluster. Much appreciated. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Forta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 10:51 PM Subject: RE: CF developer numbers > Interesting thread, on a whole bunch of levels. > > A few comments, and then an open question ... > > 1) Lots of messages imply that MM is not working on getting the word out > there. And I know for a fact that that is not true, it is what I do almost > full-time, and others work at it too. Maybe many are not seeing it, I'll > get > back to that in a moment. > > 2) We are selling lots of CF. I can't disclose numbers and financials and > stuff without getting into all sorts of trouble, but I don't think I'll > get > fired for saying that CF is indeed selling, and selling well. > > 3) What I have noticed is a dramatic change in who I am speaking to, and > the > types of conversations. A few years ago I was talking to lots of .com > start-ups and developments shops and consultants and departmental decision > makers. I honestly don't bump into many of these anymore. But I do spend > lots of time talking to corporate decision makers, in the past few weeks I > have met with no less than a dozen well known very high profile > corporations, all using CF and lots of it. And this is reflected in the > types of sales we are making, and who we are selling to. With the changes > in > CFMX, the maturation of the market in general, the tightening of the purse > strings and the subsequent trend towards consolidation and bringing > projects > back in house, we are finding ourselves selling CF differently. Even > pricing, which some of you pointed out as an obstacle to CF growth, is in > reality not much of an obstacle. We rarely finds ourselves talking to > those > for whom the cost of CF Standard is a deal-breaker, those who want to only > look at the initial cost. I can state quite emphatically that I have not > heard price as an objection in a long time now, not where we are finding > ourselves playing. The market has changed and space has changed. > > 4) Which brings me back to point #1. We are blowing the CF horn loud and > clear, but ads in trade rags and banners on coding sites and blurbs in > tech > journals don't cut it anymore. We've ran ad campaigns, we know what they > cost and know how effective they are (or are not), and this has > necessitated > a change in how we blow that horn (and where we blow it). > > And so my question to you is this ... > > What do you think would make a difference? Or put even more bluntly, if > you > were my boss and could dictate how I spent my time, what would you want me > doing to spread the gospel according to Saint CF? > > --- Ben > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:03 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: CF developer numbers > > Man Dave, this one sentence sums up my gripes with MM: > > "But maybe if MM did show more of what cfm can do it would get those ppl > over from the other launguages." > > You can throw in the kitchen sink but if you don't get the word out, it > doesn't mean squat. > > Great post bud. > > Rey... > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=36 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:182137 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
