i guess when i say that MM needs to do a bit more on getting the word out, i am talking about it on the developer level not the corporate level. I knida imagined that it was doing good on the corporate level because of how much MM is doing with it.
im talking bout more of these developers using php & .net and there only real reason is cause they write "free" all over it. These are ppl like me, who arent making enterprise sized apps, so therefor shouldnt be affected by the coldfusion price tag. But a mojority of them think that MM charges everyone who uses it at least $1200, which we know isnt true, especially for what these ppl are developing and deploying on shared servers. They also dont know that cfml is also a java compiler as well and not just a tag parser anymore. They also dont realize that say php may very well get caught "flat footed" since it doesnt sit on top of j2ee or .net. Amazingly, they really dont even know what those are, lol. Now to your ? why not do some targeting to usergroups like this (but other launguages). For example, go to flash coders list (i swear dave must hate me, lol) and maybe make a breeze presentation about moving from php to cfml and using it with flash & remoting. And have coding examples and a very clear price layout, maybe some truths and myths about using and pricings as well. If these ppl could actually see how much easier and better it is and still wont touch their wallet only a pure idiot wouldnt do it. Another myth i hear a lot is about how much more hosting costs then say php. Personally i think that i pay about $8.20 a month for my hosting with hostmysite.com which i think is pretty friggin good for as good as they are. same with flex. But u need to get the lil guys happy and it will work its way up the ladder, cant expect to start at the top and have it trickle down. so when flex is available for us non enterprise developers the buzz will really get going! and im just using php as an example, but their only real reason for using it is cause of the price and like i said most of these ppl are small and have their apps hosted so the cfm pricing doesnt really apply to them but they just dont get it cause MM never says anything about it. just my opinion btw~ maybe we dont want more ppl moving to cfml if the big guns are keeping it alive, just makes it harder for us to get biz ;) ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Ben Forta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:51:30 -0400 >Interesting thread, on a whole bunch of levels. > >A few comments, and then an open question ... > >1) Lots of messages imply that MM is not working on getting the word out >there. And I know for a fact that that is not true, it is what I do almost >full-time, and others work at it too. Maybe many are not seeing it, I'll get >back to that in a moment. > >2) We are selling lots of CF. I can't disclose numbers and financials and >stuff without getting into all sorts of trouble, but I don't think I'll get >fired for saying that CF is indeed selling, and selling well. > >3) What I have noticed is a dramatic change in who I am speaking to, and the >types of conversations. A few years ago I was talking to lots of .com >start-ups and developments shops and consultants and departmental decision >makers. I honestly don't bump into many of these anymore. But I do spend >lots of time talking to corporate decision makers, in the past few weeks I >have met with no less than a dozen well known very high profile >corporations, all using CF and lots of it. And this is reflected in the >types of sales we are making, and who we are selling to. With the changes in >CFMX, the maturation of the market in general, the tightening of the purse >strings and the subsequent trend towards consolidation and bringing projects >back in house, we are finding ourselves selling CF differently. Even >pricing, which some of you pointed out as an obstacle to CF growth, is in >reality not much of an obstacle. We rarely finds ourselves talking to those >for whom the cost of CF Standard is a deal-breaker, those who want to only >look at the initial cost. I can state quite emphatically that I have not >heard price as an objection in a long time now, not where we are finding >ourselves playing. The market has changed and space has changed. > >4) Which brings me back to point #1. We are blowing the CF horn loud and >clear, but ads in trade rags and banners on coding sites and blurbs in tech >journals don't cut it anymore. We've ran ad campaigns, we know what they >cost and know how effective they are (or are not), and this has necessitated >a change in how we blow that horn (and where we blow it). > >And so my question to you is this ... > >What do you think would make a difference? Or put even more bluntly, if you >were my boss and could dictate how I spent my time, what would you want me >doing to spread the gospel according to Saint CF? > >--- Ben > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:03 PM >To: CF-Talk >Subject: Re: CF developer numbers > >Man Dave, this one sentence sums up my gripes with MM: > >"But maybe if MM did show more of what cfm can do it would get those ppl >over from the other launguages." > >You can throw in the kitchen sink but if you don't get the word out, it >doesn't mean squat. > >Great post bud. > >Rey... > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Sams Teach Yourself Regular Expressions in 10 Minutes by Ben Forta http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=40 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:182138 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
