cant forget bout the lil guy though, lots of lil voices make the most racket!
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Douglas Knudsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 23:17:50 -0400 >Ben, maybe jump around like a monkey on video like Steve Balmer did? Ha!! > >Seriously, though, I've been involved in CF for a bit more than 4 >years now. Only in this past year have I got constantly bombarded >with info from macr in my email about products. So, yes, macr is >doing something different. But yes, most of the stuff I see is RIA >related. RIA stuffs seem to be what macr has bet the farm on for the >future, it may well be the future, they seem well prepared for it, >leading even. Like big M$, they too have some very passionate folks >on their team too. Also, noting Ben's post, where macr needs to hit >is the people making the decisions on buying, that usually is not the >developer, far from it, eh? > >Doug > > >On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:51:30 -0400, Ben Forta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Interesting thread, on a whole bunch of levels. >> >> A few comments, and then an open question ... >> >> 1) Lots of messages imply that MM is not working on getting the word out >> there. And I know for a fact that that is not true, it is what I do almost >> full-time, and others work at it too. Maybe many are not seeing it, I'll get >> back to that in a moment. >> >> 2) We are selling lots of CF. I can't disclose numbers and financials and >> stuff without getting into all sorts of trouble, but I don't think I'll get >> fired for saying that CF is indeed selling, and selling well. >> >> 3) What I have noticed is a dramatic change in who I am speaking to, and the >> types of conversations. A few years ago I was talking to lots of .com >> start-ups and developments shops and consultants and departmental decision >> makers. I honestly don't bump into many of these anymore. But I do spend >> lots of time talking to corporate decision makers, in the past few weeks I >> have met with no less than a dozen well known very high profile >> corporations, all using CF and lots of it. And this is reflected in the >> types of sales we are making, and who we are selling to. With the changes in >> CFMX, the maturation of the market in general, the tightening of the purse >> strings and the subsequent trend towards consolidation and bringing projects >> back in house, we are finding ourselves selling CF differently. Even >> pricing, which some of you pointed out as an obstacle to CF growth, is in >> reality not much of an obstacle. We rarely finds ourselves talking to those >> for whom the cost of CF Standard is a deal-breaker, those who want to only >> look at the initial cost. I can state quite emphatically that I have not >> heard price as an objection in a long time now, not where we are finding >> ourselves playing. The market has changed and space has changed. >> >> 4) Which brings me back to point #1. We are blowing the CF horn loud and >> clear, but ads in trade rags and banners on coding sites and blurbs in tech >> journals don't cut it anymore. We've ran ad campaigns, we know what they >> cost and know how effective they are (or are not), and this has necessitated >> a change in how we blow that horn (and where we blow it). >> >> And so my question to you is this ... >> >> What do you think would make a difference? Or put even more bluntly, if you >> were my boss and could dictate how I spent my time, what would you want me >> doing to spread the gospel according to Saint CF? >> >> --- Ben >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rey Bango [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:03 PM >> To: CF-Talk >> Subject: Re: CF developer numbers >> >> Man Dave, this one sentence sums up my gripes with MM: >> >> "But maybe if MM did show more of what cfm can do it would get those ppl >> over from the other launguages." >> >> You can throw in the kitchen sink but if you don't get the word out, it >> doesn't mean squat. >> >> Great post bud. >> >> Rey... >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Protect your mail server with built in anti-virus protection. It's not only good for you, it's good for everybody. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=39 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:182140 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
