I agree that Macromedia does have a responsibility to present CF as an 
Enterprise solution and a "real" development platform, but also remember that 
the experience(s) companies have in dealing with CF developers and the quality 
of code we CF developers produce, also has a large impact on the perception 
people have about ColdFusion.

~Simon


> 
> I think that touches on the issue, CF is often perceieved as the layman's 
development platform and not taken seriously (such as .NET or J2EE) by many 
decision makers.
> 
> 
> It's MM's job to ensure that CF is taken seriously by folks at the right 
levels.
> 
> 
> Is that the gist of what we feel would help us help them :P ?
> 
> 
> - Calvin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  Tim Laureska
> Date:  10/20/04 8:56 pm
> To:  CF-Talk 
> Subj:  RE: CF developer numbers
> 
> Here, here Mike... Don't get me wrong, I love CF... it's what I use most
> for the sites I build, however, marketing is not my forte nor do I have
> the time to be an evangelist.  I am a small shop web developer with
> limited staff and my clients don't have a clue what CF, ASP, .Net or PHP
> are.
> 
> They only look at results (and costs - -I'm running up against much
> cheaper php sites now)... but if some effort were put forth at marketing
> to the laymen's level (public - small business owner - at least "Cold
> Fusion" Name Recognition by MM), marketing locally would be easier and
> accordingly CF presence would increase (or at least be known as an
> option)...
> 
> Small businesses represent a tremendous market to be had - I don't know
> enough about MM's focus though
> 
> IMHO
> 
> Tim
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:19 PM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF developer numbers
> 
> Ok then,  lets hear some of the things that a single-person developer
> working his heart out already to pay the bills can do to increase the
> market for CF developers, without giving all those opportunities to
> the other 136 people who responded to the same job.
> 
> One that springs to mind is that we could stop developing and go
> without income for a while to start sales activity, to get companies
> to take on ColdFusion as their server of choice.  I accept that. It's
> pretty hard to be paying the bills as well as doing sales, when you're
> basically a contractor, but I can see that SOMEONE has to do some
> selling, and in a one person business, there's no doubt who that is.
> 
> What else?
> 
> Cheers
> Mike Kear
> Windsor, NSW, Australia
> AFP Webworks
> http://afpwebworks.com
> .com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:58:12 +0100, Simon Horwith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > this thread's getting a bit off topic, but I'll give a brief response.
> > 
> > I don't personally like hearing about how bad the market is in an
> > area... I want to hear about what someone is doing about it.  If
> anyone
> > would like suggestions about what they can do, I'll gladly give them a
> > ton of them.
> > If you frequently encounter companies or individuals with
> misconceptions
> > and/or inhibitions about ColdFusion, or there's a poor ColdFusion
> market
> > in your area, then you should do something about it.
> > If you can't be bothered to do something about it then perhaps you're
> 
> 

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