Calvin, You are 100% correct. The outside world still does not adequately appreciate the CF/Java relationship and what it means. We have an incredibly compelling story, one that resonates when told properly. We invest very heavily in this area, it is indeed our job as you note, and we do it very well. But we continue to struggle with finding the right way to tell it to the masses, without having to drop-ship one of us into each account.
--- Ben -----Original Message----- From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 6:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF developer numbers I think that touches on the issue, CF is often perceieved as the layman's development platform and not taken seriously (such as .NET or J2EE) by many decision makers. It's MM's job to ensure that CF is taken seriously by folks at the right levels. Is that the gist of what we feel would help us help them :P ? - Calvin -----Original Message----- From: Tim Laureska Date: 10/20/04 8:56 pm To: CF-Talk Subj: RE: CF developer numbers Here, here Mike... Don't get me wrong, I love CF... it's what I use most for the sites I build, however, marketing is not my forte nor do I have the time to be an evangelist. I am a small shop web developer with limited staff and my clients don't have a clue what CF, ASP, .Net or PHP are. They only look at results (and costs - -I'm running up against much cheaper php sites now)... but if some effort were put forth at marketing to the laymen's level (public - small business owner - at least "Cold Fusion" Name Recognition by MM), marketing locally would be easier and accordingly CF presence would increase (or at least be known as an option)... Small businesses represent a tremendous market to be had - I don't know enough about MM's focus though IMHO Tim -----Original Message----- From: Mike Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 8:19 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF developer numbers Ok then, lets hear some of the things that a single-person developer working his heart out already to pay the bills can do to increase the market for CF developers, without giving all those opportunities to the other 136 people who responded to the same job. One that springs to mind is that we could stop developing and go without income for a while to start sales activity, to get companies to take on ColdFusion as their server of choice. I accept that. It's pretty hard to be paying the bills as well as doing sales, when you're basically a contractor, but I can see that SOMEONE has to do some selling, and in a one person business, there's no doubt who that is. What else? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com .com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:58:12 +0100, Simon Horwith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > this thread's getting a bit off topic, but I'll give a brief response. > > I don't personally like hearing about how bad the market is in an > area... I want to hear about what someone is doing about it. If anyone > would like suggestions about what they can do, I'll gladly give them a > ton of them. > If you frequently encounter companies or individuals with misconceptions > and/or inhibitions about ColdFusion, or there's a poor ColdFusion market > in your area, then you should do something about it. > If you can't be bothered to do something about it then perhaps you're ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Purchase from House of Fusion, a Macromedia Authorized Affiliate and support the CF community. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=34 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:182171 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
