I started to post to this thread last night, but got interrupted,

Lotta' good stuff here!

One thing that I think would really contribute to the acceptance of CF 
is to make it pervasive and ubiquitous-- the same way MS does with IE 
and MM does with Flash.

On OS X you get most of what you need to publish a web site 
pre-installed:

'Nix  OS
Apache web server
PHP, Perl Python
Java

Missing is a database -- MySQL is easily available & is pre-installed 
on the Server version of OS X, as is JBoss

There are loads of on-line examples & tutorials to get people started 
on (the wrong road, IMO) in writing PHP.

What I would like to see is a free, fully-capable (any 5 concurrent IPs 
in session)  Blackstone J2ee, come pre-installed on ****EVERY**** new 
computer.

This would allow the beginner to get started down the correct path -- 
and eventually feed work to the professional CF developer.

With publicly-discussed Blackstone features like Event gateway there 
are opportunities to use CFML to address a much broader range of 
applications -- from the simple, ad-hoc desktop app that a beginner 
whips out in an hour -- to sophisticated enterprise apps that require 
the capabilities of a J2ee environment -- and, incidentally, you can 
publish web sites too :)

Dick

On Oct 21, 2004, at 9:54 AM, Barney Boisvert wrote:

> I thought CF Express was great, personally.  I used it numerous times,
> on everything from little one-off sites for clients who had a web
> server in their office, but needed zero-cost app servers, to
> kiosk-style apps on non-connected computers (just install CF right on
> the machine).  At least two of those clients came back and had more
> "real" CF work done, and to support them we bought additional CF Pro
> licenses to run their apps.  And the rest have continued down the CF
> path with us, though they can't be directly linked to more CF
> purchase.
>
> How about free CF for certain applications, like Flex is now doing?
>
> cheers,
> barneyb
>
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:15:21 -0400, Ben Forta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> Take CF Standard, trim it down some more (no CFX, only
>>>> Access and MySQL, maybe even single-threaded) and give it away.
>>
>> FWIW, we did that back in the CF4 era, it was called ColdFusion 
>> Express, and
>> it did not really make a whole lot of difference in the grand scheme 
>> of
>> things.
>>
>> The free developer's edition was a far more successful offering, and 
>> one
>> that I wish we'd have had ever since day one.
>>
>> --- Ben
>
> -- 
> Barney Boisvert
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 360.319.6145
> http://www.barneyb.com/blog/
>
> I currently have 2 GMail invites for the taking
>
> 

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